Obscene response from AZ State Representative (Response to article All You Democrats, posted below)

Keep and Bear Arms ^ | 11-28-02 | Don Cline/L. Neil Smith

[chadwimc]

I would have to agree with your state rep on this one...

[SJackson]

State Representative Mark Maiorana Democrat -- District 8 Office number: 316 Phone: 602-542-5058 E-mail:mmaioran@azleg.state.az.us

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[Hacksaw]

Sounds like this Representative needs to lay off the caffiene.

[Balding_Eagle]

Sounds like he got his vocabulary and writing style from DU.

[Illbay]

Yeah, yeah, what do you expect from a Democrat? I'm more interested in addressing something this schmuck Smith said in the original article:

If you think any of this is acceptable, stop reading. You are either evil, stupid, or insane and I have nothing more to say to you.

Note that "any of this" includes the following:

1. The courts have said it is okay for the government to wiretap suspected terrorists as long as there is credible reason to believe they are aiding and abetting terrorist organizations. As Rush Limbaugh has been at great pains to point out in the last couple of weeks, NO that doesn't mean Joe and Jane Sixpack are now under threat of having their phones monitored.

2. "Military tribunals" are for TERRORISTS. Is that REALLY so hard to understand?

3. "Afghan detainees" mean "people who were caught IN AFGHANISTAN, in a theater of war, making war upon Americans and aiding and abetting those who slaughtered Americans on 9/11."

4. We as a society are being overrun by a handful of people who look at the rest of us as a "herd" that they can "cull" for their sadistic and perverted pleasure. We're trying to figure out how to handle the fact that, since we know longer just shoot the b*st*rds or hang 'em high when they rape and torture children for their sexual gratification--as earlier generations wisely did--we have to try to prevent them from doing more raping and killing when they are released back into their natural habitat. Sorry if it offends you that these people should be monitored the rest of their lives, but the evidence is overwhelming that they can't be cured, and I consider the well-being of my family, and the families of other Americans, far more precious than the "freedom" of these monsters to destroy more lives.

In short, as much as I hate to admit it (and likely for different reasons), Mr. Smith, this Democrat is right.

You ARE an *sshole.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Don't post while you are looking in the mirror.

[Illbay]

Don't post until you are at least 18 years of age.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Even if, as you suggest, Illbay is an *sshole, that doesn't make him wrong.

[ovrtaxt]

Why didn't we need all this Homeland Security stuff in WW2? Why is it so necessary to overrun the Bill of Rights now? Im not saying that's happening,...yet. But the potential is there in the Patriot Act and the HS bill. Now, Im pretty far right wing, but this gives me chills.

The logical solution seems to be border control. But we can't have that and PC thought at the same time. Our PC tendencies make the HS Department and the Patriot Act necessary. If we protected ourselves with common sense, all this extra government authority wouldn't be necesary.

The author's point stands; that the Dems complaints about government invasiveness is largely their own fault.

[PatrioticAmerican]

Forget about bay-between-the-ears, he's a fed and their biggest apologist.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

If he's a fed, then he works for us and should be more polite.

But they don't teach them that at Jackboot school anymore.

[RogueIsland]

Why didn't we need all this Homeland Security stuff in WW2? Why is it so necessary to overrun the Bill of Rights now?

A whole lot of Japanese Americans living in the 1940s might be very surprised to learn that we didn't have all this Homeland Security stuff in WWII.

[IronJack]

This email needs to be forwarded to every newspaper, tv station, and radio station in his district. Whatever else this jerk has done, to interact with a constituent at this level is inexcusable. This man was elected to be a representative of the people, not the bouncer at a biker bar.

[Illbay]

Why didn't we need all this Homeland Security stuff in WW2?

Surely you jest. We DID have "this Homeland security stuff" during WWII.

Why is it so necessary to overrun the Bill of Rights now?

Please point out ways in which the Bill of Rights is being "overrun."

Im not saying that's happening,...yet.

But that's the problem: Everyone talks about the "threats to freedom" from the Patriot Act and Homeland Security, but no one gives anything approaching details about it. Historically, during time of war for this nation, these same sorts of laws were implemented. It's just that at that time people still considered "the government" to be a manifestation of the people's will. The 1960s hadn't happened yet, and this cult of hyper-individualism hadn't yet found its way into the cultural consciousness.

Back then, people thought we were all pulling together for a common cause: Defeating the enemy. Now, too many simply see the government as the biggest "threat."

But the potential is there in the Patriot Act and the HS bill.

The potential is there for abuse every time a government is instituted. But silly diatribes that make these sound like dictatorial decrees are just stupid, far more "evil, stupid, or insane" than anything that Pres. Bush has pushed.

The threat is NOT from our government. Imperfect as it is, it DOES belong to us, and as the events of Nov. 5 demonstrated, it is quite amenable to the will of the governed.

Meanwhile, fruitcakes like this "L. Neil Smith" character would seem to favor unfettered ability of terrorists, rapists and child molestors to ply their favorite hobbies. Just so long as we don't have "the government" involved.

You talk about the Bill of Rights, but you can't really say which of those Rights is being infringed. Well, I can refer to the REST of the Constitution as well, and I can tell you that in several places, the Federal government is charged to "provide for the common defense." To me, the Patriot Act, Homestead Security Act, etc., are absolutely in line with that obligation.

These things have been conceived and passed by the Legislative branch, after due deliberation--and there was a LOT of it. They have been signed into law by the Executive. And some of it has already passed Judicial muster.

Sounds like everything is open and aboveboard, and absolutely constitutional.

Still you have nitwits like this "Smith" cretin complaining and even threatening outright revolt.

I tell you this: If it were 60 years ago, this guy would've been under house arrest as a threat to national security. He has no IDEA how bad things can REALLY be, even in a free society, when we're at war.

[Treebeard]

No, really, if ANYONE knows a$$holes, it's Illbay. Check his antics on other threads if you don't believe. He's magna cum laude, with a PhD in a$$holery.

[sarasmom]

BTTT

[Lurker]

If you like PATRIOT and Homeland Security under Bush, you'll love it under President Hillary....

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