[Richard Kimball]

How do you know what ethical integrity entails? What standard do you use to judge your friends' behavior?

You've nailed the essential problem with humanism. If there is no God, there is no good. We are functionally similar to the other animals. There is no such thing as an evil crocodile. He is what he is, and he does what he does. If there is no God, then there is no reason not to kill, steal, rape, whatever. Allister Crowley said, "the sum of the law is do what thou wilt." Without God, the only two questions are, "do I want to do it?" and "can I get away with it?" I've gotten into this debate way too many times to think I'll persuade anyone, but you've nailed it solidly.

[HumanaeVitae]

Yeah. It usually ends with me defeating them and them calling me stupid.

Maybe Skinner was right after all. Behavior is predictable.

[elfman2]

Don't take anything HV says seriously. I compiled 3 patient and polite posts here attempting to get him to focus on a challenge to an insultingly ignorant statement of his, and the faud just talked around it with long wandering unfocused compositions elaborating on the foundation that he refused to address. Incredibly Clintoneque and dishonest.

[Oberon]

Bump for later reading... a real blast from the past!