Can You Help America?

Self ^ | 11/30/2002 | B4Ranch

[fight_truth_decay]

Senario: Large scale landlords often incorporated may live in one State and own and operate multifamily dwellings in other state.

The rent may be $650. The tenant pays $50..the govt chips in $600. The tenant doesn't pay the $50 for months or services. He or she is given eviction papers. However, the home office says: "We will pay the utilities which is over $2000. Don't evict the tenant!"

Thus the owner/corporation is collecting a sure thing: a monthly rent check. WE are paying that $600 a month in this just one senario...Makes you sick doesn't it!!!

[fight_truth_decay]

Illegals live somewhere. No references are needed. No money or income is a plus. No credit checks.

[stalin]

If you want to aleviate this problem at all do not vote for ANY politician from Texas , California , New Mexico , or Arizona. That particularly includes libertarians.

[ppaul]

Latino Muslims

A Matter of Faith: Islam is Fastest-Growing Religion in the U.S.

Abdullah Yusuf, center, prays at the Masjid As-Salam in Sacramento
on Friday. Yusuf says he was raised Catholic but converted to Islam
because he liked the teachings of the Qur'an.

Latino Muslims

In April, California State University, Sacramento, hosted a forum on the "Islamic Presence in Latin America" before and after Columbus. One of the speakers, Salvadoran-born AbdulHadi Bazurto (President of Latin American Muslim Unity), said the more he examined his roots, the more he questioned the validity of Catholicism in his life. "Since the day the Spanish arrived, we as people have suffered a lot," he said. "Christianity's 'white God' concept was harmful to our people, who were definitely not white."

Another speaker, Daniel Denton, a Stockton elementary school teacher who was born in Mexico, said he was a hard-drinking veteran of the Gulf War when he began to explore Islam in 1994. At the invitation of Muslims at Delta College, he went to a mosque. "There was a carpet on the floor, and the walls were bare. I wondered, 'Where is everything?' and then I realized that was everything. If you go to a Catholic church, every few feet they have an image or a statue, but in Islam, there is no association between God and any image."

Denton also was impressed by the Islamic belief that each individual will be judged by their deeds on Judgment Day. That night, he took the shahada, the Muslim vow that says "There is only one God, Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger."

When he started fasting for Ramadan, "I heard my relatives in Stockton were calling my mom in San Diego and telling her I had become a terrorist and was doing drugs," Denton said. "When I went down to San Diego toward the end of Ramadan, I had lost 15 pounds and was starting to grow my beard. My mom was just in tears for days."

But, Denton said, his mother soon realized that instead of partying, he was staying home and talking to her as he had never done before.

"As she began to see the change, she came to accept it, and now she's happy. There's a saying in Islam that goes, 'Heaven lies at the feet of the mother. You have to treat her well at all times, take care of her.' "

Denton, 29, sees similarities between Islamic and Latino culture. "I've noticed that if you take away the crosses, the alcohol and the pork, the smells in my house are similar to Muslim homes..."

Link to article HERE.

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California State University, Sacramento, hosted a forum on the "Islamic Presence in Latin America" before and after Columbus. One of the speakers, Salvadoran-born AbdulHadi Bazurto (President of Latin American Muslim Unity), said the more he examined his roots, the more he questioned the validity of Catholicism in his life. "Since the day the Spanish arrived, we as people have suffered a lot," he said. "Christianity's 'white God' concept was harmful to our people, who were definitely not white."

Our tax dollars at work.

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[RichardMoore]

This 2000 election should have been about this issue. But it wasn't. Buchanan talked about it and he was ignored. This is just one issue which gets no real debate in the public forum and no real action. Abortion is another. "Free-Trade" is another. Is democracy possible any more? I doubt it! People are not encouraged to think; where's the pay-off? I suspect that we are interested in this border issue now because of 9-11, but it's a little too late. The horses are already out of the barn and Bush and the WAR PARTY are only interested in keeping us all inflamed and fearful.

I suggest we should all wake up and read G K Chesterton, especially his Eugenics And Other Evils. Until we stop pretending to think we will be inefective. Those folks who control the vast amount of money in this Free Land of ours also own most of the land. They have a vested interest in bringing the third world here. Because they can live elsewhere and they need cheap labor and they don't care if it's here or in Mexico or China. Eventually the cheap labor will be unable to buy the goods. It's a cycle of decay.

Industrial Capitalism actually has been the greatest enemy of the family.

Communism has been an obvious failure; Industrial Capitalism has admitted that it will eventually fail because it cannot afford to pay one man enough to support a family as large as he and his wife may be able to have.

The modern argument is Pragmatic in that it holds the man responsible for having too large a family, as if children were a liability. But that position is Modern and isolated from most of human history. Our society has become so EUGENIC that we automatically respond to common sense with the brainwashing of John Dewey and Maragret Sanger.

[RichardMoore]

It all comes down to what principle is considered the most important. And in the USA it is commerce. Forget democracy, it has become a sham! The Soviets watched as their "system" broke down. I fear it is our turn because we have turned our backs on what made us strong.

Real property is not money, it is land. And real wealth is not possesions it is life, family and children. Sadly these are things that we have forgotten. Pehaps these illegals still believe what we used to about those things.

We have been living on the borrowed good will of Christendom and that has been fading since the Reformation.

If you want to know what has become of our country read EUGENICS AND OTHER EVILS by G K Chesterton (ignatius.com)

[PGalt]

Thanks for your post/ping. Bump thread for later reading.

[Scarlet_Pimpernil]

Okay, here's my five minute stump: Immigration is screwed up because where ever the government tries to run a commercial enterprise, it fails miserably. Oh yes, it is a commercial enterprise. Labor is a commodity. Aliens who I doubt are legal work for the contractors who cut the grass at our complex; Mexicans hang most of the drywall going up in our area. These are productive good folks who if it were up to me, we would want to have here legally, perhaps we could trade them one for one for some of our gang bangers who have the opportunities but do drugs instead....

The solution is to allow capitalism to prevail. Immigrants should have to pay a substantial fee to get into our economy, just as we have to pay a fee to join Sam's Club. This moves the problem to the private sector as follows: employers wanting to use cheap Mexican labor would sponsor the individual and the employee would pay back the employer to be here legally. The advantage is when illegals are caught working for a company, in addition to a warning or a pre-set statutory fine, the employer would be hit with application fees for each employee (which would include cost of investigating to make sure his isn't a felon etc. plus a profit). It has many advantages, in that we can screen people coming in, we have good case law to penalize the employers in proportion to the problem rather than the way it is now......not perfect, but the new system would look something like this, and could even turn a profit provided most illegals deported could be tied to an employer

[MistyCA]

Interesting. And now they pay a substantial fee to steal our identities and get false documents. You are right about the fact that many of the illegals are great workers. I have hired people I am sure aren't legal. They can't speak the language and have only learned the key words you might want to know to accept employment....like "ten dollars an hour." They are enthusiastic and anxious to get the work, unlike our own youthwho can think of a million better things to do.

[RnMomof7]

2...Under the new Homeland Security Dept., we need to create a massive border security program. We need to expand the border patrol by 150 to 200 thousand members.

On the southern border they park their cars and wait for the Mexicans to come to them ...those that are free to patrol have rules ..parts of the desert thay are not allowed into..and if the illegal gets to a certain point they are told they may not chase them

With rules like these in place we would need them to stand shoulder to shoulder and have them form a human fence

We need to understand that Bush does not WANT to keep them out..so they will come it..

Homeland security is checking little old white ladies bording planes to see their grand kids....it is aimed at removing rights from the citizens to make all of us safe..It is NOT about keeping the bad guys out

[MistyCA]

Thanks.

[PsyOp]

"But the problem lies in the horrible myth that we are all forced to swallow from Kindergarten - that we are all created equal..."

That is a result of the unfortunate wording in our Declaration of Independence. I say unfortunate because what was clearly understood then, without elaboration, has been forgotten today because the context has been lost.

The phrase meant that all men were created equal in the eyes of God, that we were all of equal value whether king or commoner (and therefore had no need of kings or privileged classes). That we were all created with equal opportunity to make use of the gifts God had bestowed on us in terms of individual talent and ability.

It did not mean that all outcomes had to be equal. That latter interpretation is a Marxist one that has been adopted by the left - including the religious left who should know better.

[swarthyguy]

Bang on. One, as blue collar jobs moved overseas, this dovetailed with the killing of "shop" programs.

Shop programs were one of the great features of the US Educational System. A alternate way into the good life apart from college.

Most did not care when blue collar jobs ended up overseas; now that white collar work is migrating overseas as well, the shoe's on the other foot.

[viaveritasvita]

Two-party system!? HA! Republicrats is a good one; I've also heard "demopublicans." We should have closed our borders at noon on 9/11 for a total re-organization going back to standards and numbers of the 50s. It is too late now.

[Cold Heat]

With rules like these in place we would need them to stand shoulder to shoulder and have them form a human fence

I also recommended a total revamp of the rules/regs/etc.

These thing were in place after the Clintonites and others finished sanitizing the Dept's. Those Clintonites are still there! Current union rules prevent their transfers or even discipline.

The recent HSD Bill should give them the tools they need to fix these and many other problems with the rules and regs.

We need to understand that Bush does not WANT to keep them out..so they will come it..

I do not see it that way at all. What I see is a president that is struggling to keep a good relationship with Mexico. The changes will be gradual and not just dropped on them like a rock. The fact is, that there are enough wannabes on the other side of that border to overwhelm any barrier that we might put up.

We need a cooperative Mexico, and not a new enemy. They have their issues as well. They are also a important vote in the U.N.! They also provide oil, and power sharing for the U.S.

Look at it from a macro perspective and you will see more clearly what the controlling factors are. There are many more that I have not mentioned.

[RnMomof7]

These thing were in place after the Clintonites and others finished sanitizing the Dept's.

As much as we like to blame everthing on Clinton most of these new rules were put in place by the current administration..as the Mexican trucks start rolling into your neighborhood..carring more illegals (maybe some terrorists in that mix) and drugs and not meeting our safety and insurance requirments driven by spanish speakers..just remember that daddy Bush helped draw up NAFTA and little Bush just activated it

The controling interest is a European market type government with pesos and dollars and open migration .Any fool could see the problems..any fool but the Bush guys that is..

[reborn22]

Keep me on the list!

There is far too much immigration anyway, let alone illegal immigrants.

America for Americans!

[dalebert]

Bush says he is against illegals. I do believe even Powell said last week that the Amnesty deal is off. I don't think the fact that he is from Texas has anything to do with it.The American hispanics I know are against illegals. They don't want them here. In fact, they are quite conservative about everything.

[takenoprisoner]

I like Mexicans. They make great Americans. They work hard and are family oriented. Sorta like the rest of we working class. And in a time of need, they'll stand beside us and will voluntarily serve like the rest of us as they always have over the years...to the tune of some 350k during WWII and untold numbers in Vietnam.

Just say no to Muslims.