Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 1 Dec 2002

Did Jesus lie to accomplish his goal?

I believe you will be judged on your lie..not a loss of salvation for the elect..but no medal of honor either

Do you trust God to preserve you or not?

What concerns me here is the professed Calvinist think they need to sin to help God along in accomplishing His will.. God is not able to accomplish what He will without your sin ...

Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Mat 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Mat 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

Woody God needs to act for HIS glory..if you sin to cause an acceptable ending all the glory goes to you..you rob God

I agree with what you are saying about sin. But I was saying that Christians aren't under the Law.

This word "under" is a very big deal in Pauline theology. It conveys an idea of a relationship which Paul repeatedly says we don't have to the Law. We have a better relationship. Paul says we are in-lawed to Christ.

The New Covenant theological position is ultimately just an elucidation of that position. (It does have eschatological implications, BTW, but it is not a hybrid of the dispensational and covenant theology positions.)

A surprising percentage of the stuff which you might happen to read about the New Covenant theological position is sheer crap. Our detractors misrepresent us as licentious, as antinomian, but nothing could be further from the truth. (We wouldn't dream of cheating on our taxes [grin].)

The funny thing is, many of those guys whom you mentioned as respected Reformed theologians would not even sit down at the same table with you--since you aren't a strict Sabbatarian!

The whole controversy is a mess. It requires a calm approach to sort through the garbage and to see what the Bible is saying and what it is not saying.

What I meant by "got nothing" is that we got no recognition from any Moslem people anywhere on earth that we went out of our way to help them.

Sure, in Afghanistan we played out a geo-political game that ended with the collapse of the Evil Empire.

And in Kuwait, we saved the oil supplies.

So we did get something --- a big something --- for our efforts.

But we also helped others, and don't get recognized for that.

In Bosnia/Kosovo, I think we were duped. We didn't do anything for ourselves and I don't think the people we helped necessarily deserved our help. But in any case, once again, those we helped later spit in our face.

I have a concern I was going to write you about this topic some time ago and I let it go..It involved a "guest" pastor at the start up..His emphasis on Holiness throuh law keeping made me VERY uncomfortable..then on my visit to the rochester church the topic was similar..THEN the pastor from Va came and discussed the decalog.

It seemed to me all of what I was hearing was a bit legalistic..Perhaps I will get with you for further discussion later

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