Free Republic losing its impact

Alamance Independent ^ | Unknown | Matt Maggio

[outlawcam]

There is never any good from a Clinton ascention.

All the more reason to nominate a true conservative from the start, and not a Republican who advances a liberal agenda.

[Consort]

-- His campaign was so horsesh*t, even the little gremlin, Ross Perot got his 20% or so. And you think it was our fault he didn't win?

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If you or any other Conservative voted for Perot or did not vote for Bush-41, then you are part of the problem.

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I am a Constitutionalist and Conservative, voting GOP if and when they can manage to avoid the temptation of becoming "Centrist-Moderates."

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Then you unreliable are willing to hurt elected Conservatives if some "Centrist-Moderates" are on the ticket. Because of misguided people like you, Conservative committee chairmen in both Houses could lose their power to Liberals. Your so-called principles would hurt Conservatives at all levels of government.

[F16Fighter]

"If you or any other Conservative voted for Perot or did not vote for Bush-41, then you are part of the problem."

Vote for Bush 41 on the basis of what?? His calling for a "New World Order"?? His choice of David Souter for the Supreme Court?? His reneging on raising taxes ("Read my lips...)?? His indifference in outing Bill Clinton to the American people as to what he really was?

I will not ever vote for the lesser of two sh*ts. You may be satisfied having been thrown a turkey's sphincter carcass, but some of us settle for breast meat. And WE are willing to wait.

[Consort]

There is never any good from a Clinton ascention.

All the more reason to nominate a true conservative from the start, and not a Republican who advances a liberal agenda.

That a worthy goal, but whenever a "Clinton" is running, we have a duty to vote for the best electable alternative. Sitting out the election is not an option.

[Consort]

I will not ever vote for the lesser of two sh*ts.

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Every vote you ever cast in your entire life was for the lesser of two sh*ts. The same for any future votes. Not voting may be a vote for the greater of two sh*ts.

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And WE are willing to wait.

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Who are the WE? And what are the WE waiting for?

[Protagoras]

I feel like an American who's political party is in control of the country.

Yep, and it's time to deliver. It will be interesting to say the least.

[monkeywrench]

If hillary runs and wins, it'll be because no one saw fit to investigate and prosecute.

[Protagoras]

"Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican" -- Reagans Law

No one bats 1000%.

[outlawcam]

That a worthy goal, but whenever a "Clinton" is running, we have a duty to vote for the best electable alternative. Sitting out the election is not an option.

Wrong. My duty is to utilize my vote in a way that I think best preserves my freedom, and the freedom of our posterity. By continuing to reward unworthy candidates with my vote, I am guaranteeing that all that will be offered is unworthy candidates. By voting my conscience and voting for a true conservative, I am not only preserving my integrity, but increasing the value of a conservative vote over time.

At times it may seem that it will take hundreds of years to "undo" what Clinton has done, but it really wouldn't take that long if Republicans started acting conservative again, if good-hearted people would do their jobs and do everything in their power to uphold the Constitution. We're seeing it happen slowly, but it isn't because of Bush or any other single personality. In fact, Bush has probably done just as much to solidify the left's ideology in the mainstream as Clinton did to motivate the conservatives to work against him. Leadership isn't figuring out where people are, and then giving them what they expect. It is doing the right thing in spite of the repercussions.

[F16Fighter]

"Every vote you ever cast in your entire life was for the lesser of two sh*ts. The same for any future votes. Not voting may be a vote for the greater of two sh*ts."

LOL -- a point to consider.

"And what are the WE waiting for?"

WE will wait out any scenario where certain GOP leaders cross the unacceptable sh*t barrier. WE do draw a line...

Is there anything a GOP candidate can do to make them unworthy of your vote?

[Consort]

Is there anything a GOP candidate can do to make them unworthy of your vote?

In primaries, we usually weed out the unworthies. In any election, there is too much at stake to let a Liberal/Progressive/Leftist/Socialist.....have an advantage.

[Consort]

My duty is to utilize my vote in a way that I think best preserves my freedom...

If you don't vote — for any reason — then you don't have a vote. If you don't vote against the enemy of your ideology, your are abetting them. If you let your principls trump politics, you will likely end up to be a principled runner-up (as in loser). Your opponents prefer a loser, principled or otherwise, patriotic or otherwise, with a sense of duty or otherwise.

[F16Fighter]

"In primaries, we usually weed out the unworthies. In any election, there is too much at stake to let a Liberal/Progressive/Leftist/Socialist.....have an advantage."

You didn't get too good a look at the California election for Governor had you?

I'm curious -- common occurrances these days indeed have pitted, Liberal-Progressive Republicans vs. a Leftist-Socialist Democrats. In this scenario, tell me how "we" win?

[Consort]

You didn't get too good a look at the California election for Governor had you?

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The wrong guy won the election. "We" didn't try hard enough.

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I'm curious -- common occurrances these days indeed have pitted, Liberal-Progressive Republicans vs. a Leftist-Socialist Democrats. In this scenario, tell me how "we" win?

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"We" win by voting for the least socialistic electable candidate.

[outlawcam]

Who are you to tell me how to best utilize my vote? You may try to influence it, and as components of the process I believe responsible citizens in pursuit of freedom must, but the fact of the matter is that principles are a a large part of politics. Your principles seem to be victory for the party. Mine are for just and fair legislation that is conducive to secure freedom and defense--together the primary purpose of government. Legislation that falls outside of the boundaries of the social compact, or that disrespects the principles that comprise just governments as articulated in our Declaration of Independence, is an enemy to liberty. Anyone therefore that habitually supports such legislation is likewise an enemy to liberty, and thus the people. It is the pinnacle of ignorance and subjection to vote for someone who supports such legislation.

As for me, I never have knowingly voted for my enemy, and that includes the Republicans who support the aforementioned legislation, while there was a choice to be made. If you have, then you have abbetted them in the destruction of respect for the Constitution and the principles that built this nation. We will never recover that respect by casting our votes for others who have shown no or insufficient reverence for the Constitution. I'd prefer we face the wolf if we know who he is, rather than face the wolf in sheep's clothing. The latter case is more dangerous, because it is just as deadly, but it is more liable to sneak up closer before it strikes, and we don't see it coming.

[Consort]

Who are you to tell me how to best utilize my vote? You may try to influence it,....

Of course I am. Are politicians, operatives, activists, and the media the only ones allowed to influence your vote? I don't think so. You are not an island unto yourself — your vote or non-vote affects the whole country.

The people who get elected and their party and their appointees are the ones will govern me, my family, my friends and neighbors, our government and our country; and if your vote or non-vote helps a Clintonesque person get that power, than it's everybody's business, mine included. You really can't fathom that, can you?

[outlawcam]

Did you even read my entire post? I never claimed to be an island to myself. In fact, I encouraged all responsible citizens who love freedom to try to influence the votes of others. The point is that if both the Democrat and Republican are Clintonesque, then I cannot bring myself to vote for either of them, and that in fact a Clintonesque Republican is far more dangerous than a Clintonesqe Democrat. Lacking an alternative constitutionalist or declarationist, I may vote for the Republican, but not always, depending on the circumstance. Who is electable is not my concern. Who deserves my vote is my concern.