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Astronaut Awe-Struck (praises "Mother Earth"; uses tobacco in pagan pre-flight purification ritual)
AP ^ | 12/01/02 | AP

Posted on 12/01/2002 4:40:24 PM PST by gg188

Astronaut Was Awe-Struck During Spacewalk

The Associated Press

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. Dec. 1 — After completing three spacewalks in five days, astronaut John Herrington got a chance to relax Sunday and reflect on what it was like to hurtle around Earth at 17,500 mph outside his spaceship.

He couldn't help but think: "That's a loooong way down."

Herrington said he was somewhat intimidated by the fact that at any moment, he might find himself in uncontrollable motion and break away from the international space station, which would be "a bad thing."

"So I was always constantly on guard that I was maintaining the best control I could and that I had my proper tether protocol," he said. "But it was very awe-inspiring. It's a beautiful sight to look down and see the Earth from this altitude."

Herrington, the first American Indian in space and a member of the Chickasaw Nation, helped NASA get a stalled space station railcar moving again during his final spacewalk of the mission Saturday. In his two earlier outings, he helped install a $390 million station girder that was delivered by space shuttle Endeavour.

His one-week visit to the space station will end Monday afternoon, when Endeavour undocks and heads back to Earth for a Wednesday touchdown. The shuttle will return three former space station residents who have been in orbit since early June.

In an interview with Indian Country Today, Herrington said the first time he looked out Endeavour's windows after blasting off Nov. 23, he was amazed at how massive the Earth was and how minute the atmosphere. It made him realize "how insignificant we are in the great scheme of things."

"In the spiritual sense, it makes me appreciate how grand the grand scheme is of Mother Earth," he said.

Herrington said he carefully chose a variety of American Indian objects to take into space eagle feathers, wooden flutes, arrowheads, braided sweet grass "that I think represents a lot of the spiritual sense that we all feel."

He wanted to take tobacco, too, because of its purifying value, but NASA said no. The 44-year-old astronaut, a Navy pilot, said he recognized NASA's position on banning tobacco aboard spacecraft, but noted: "A lot of folks don't realize that we do use it in a spiritual sense."

In fact, just before launch, Herrington said he and a good friend "smudged" outside NASA crew quarters, waving smoke from burning leaves onto themselves for purification.

Herrington said flying in space and doing productive work up there probably is the most fulfilling thing he's ever done in his career.


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"Mother earth"???? Gosh almighty, how far have we come (or descended, I should say)

Some thoughts

1. Imagine if a CHRISTIAN had wanted to puff a cigarette before taking off into space...Imagine a Christian speaking of Jesus as this guy speaks of "Mother Earth"...

2. What a shame that pagan symbols, mythology and stone-age shamanism crap gets mixed up with the space program of our great nation...

3. SMOKERS (I am not one): you may now claim a SPIRITUAL use of tobacco that should relieve you of the persecution by the left! When the left gets on you for smoking, point out that you are using tobacco in a SPIRITUAL manner.

I mean, if someone can claim that a wooden flute is "spiritual", why not a softpack of Marlboros?

1 posted on 12/01/2002 4:40:24 PM PST by gg188
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2. What a shame that pagan symbols, mythology and stone-age shamanism crap gets mixed up with the space program of our great nation...

What part of "...make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" do you not agree with?

2 posted on 12/01/2002 4:50:31 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: gg188
In fact, just before launch, Herrington said he and a good friend "smudged" outside NASA crew quarters...

"Smudged?"

3 posted on 12/01/2002 4:55:56 PM PST by VoiceOfBruck
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To: gg188
RE: tobacco in Space
Didja miss the part where it says that NASA told him he couldn't take tobacco on the shuttle? Talk about a tempest in a teapot.... Take a few deep breaths and try to calm down. It's just too darned bad that NASA didn't check with you before they sent this other American citizen into space.
4 posted on 12/01/2002 4:56:31 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: VoiceOfBruck
smudged..., waving smoke from burning leaves onto themselves for purification (see story)
5 posted on 12/01/2002 4:58:39 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: gg188
I really think you are getting your undies in a bunch over this one. A "Native American" calling the planet "Mother Earth?" Whats the problem there... He brought along some important trinkets of his culture, talismans so to speak.

Remember Gus Grisom bring along a bunch of trinkets so that they would be "valuable" upon their return?

THe guy smudges with sage prior to lift off to ensure good luck. Hey, why not...rockets are not a sure thing, so why not all the good luck?

6 posted on 12/01/2002 5:01:18 PM PST by abigkahuna
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To: gg188
Is he represented by the same witchdoctor who claimed he had to lift some ancient curse from a reservation when what was making everyone ill there was hantavirus?
7 posted on 12/01/2002 5:05:53 PM PST by onedoug
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To: gg188
Why not just leave the headline unmodified? There was no need to use the word Pagan in the headline... what was the point????
8 posted on 12/01/2002 5:07:12 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: gg188
2. What a shame that pagan symbols, mythology and stone-age shamanism crap gets mixed up with the space program of our great nation...

Mayhaps ya might take yurself a gander at that there Great Seal of the United States.

9 posted on 12/01/2002 5:11:02 PM PST by per loin
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To: gg188
Makes me wonder, Was it people like you who forced my great-grandmother into a 'christian' boarding school, so they could destroy that "pagan symbols, mythology and stone-age shamanism crap" belief system her parents would have raised her with...???
10 posted on 12/01/2002 5:13:12 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: gg188
...Herrington said the first time he looked out Endeavour's windows after blasting off Nov. 23, he was amazed at how massive the Earth was and how minute the atmosphere.

Who is wrong here, AP or Herrington? Because of their history, my money's on AP.
11 posted on 12/01/2002 5:14:12 PM PST by VMI70
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To: abigkahuna
I was at a wedding in Wilmington in October where a guy from Arizona "smudged." It was a very nice thing, IMO. He asked first......and as a group, we ALL said it smelled like dope.......LOL.
12 posted on 12/01/2002 5:17:25 PM PST by Howlin
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To: gg188
You really don't have a clue.
13 posted on 12/01/2002 5:17:29 PM PST by tet68
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To: gg188
You've got a problem with our religion? Just because it isn't yours? Bigot fool. Grow up before you post anything else that merely shows how ignorant you are. You really are a disgrace to the conservative movement.
14 posted on 12/01/2002 5:17:53 PM PST by 11B3
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To: gg188
Why are you on the warpath?
15 posted on 12/01/2002 5:17:58 PM PST by lonestar
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To: gg188
Sounds like Crazy Horse scalped your great-great grandpa at Little Big Horn and you haven't gotten over it.
16 posted on 12/01/2002 5:33:02 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: gg188
" (praises "Mother Earth"; uses tobacco in pagan pre-flight purification ritual)"

How was this "Pagan" in any way-seems more like traditional Native American jazz to me.
17 posted on 12/01/2002 5:35:10 PM PST by Rocksalt
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To: abigkahuna
Remember Gus Grisom bring along a bunch of trinkets so that they would be "valuable" upon their return?

Heck, Buzz Aldrin took a cup and a wafer. The first thing he did after he and Armstrong landed on the surface of the moon was take communion...

18 posted on 12/01/2002 5:42:11 PM PST by Lyford
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To: VoiceOfBruck
Smudging is an act of purification, usually done with white sage. The act concentrates the mind and spiritual energy to the task(s) at hand. In other spiritual paths this is also known as annointing, blessing and dedicating.
19 posted on 12/01/2002 5:44:21 PM PST by mandible
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To: gg188
Something just occurred to me. If blacks can sue for reparations, shouldn't the Indians pay for the ills of tobacco?
20 posted on 12/01/2002 5:45:05 PM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: gg188
Just nice to know that he didn't take a puff of anything stronger before going up.
21 posted on 12/01/2002 5:45:33 PM PST by dr_who
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To: gg188
1. Imagine if a CHRISTIAN had wanted to puff a cigarette before taking off into space...Imagine a Christian speaking of Jesus as this guy speaks of "Mother Earth"...

How about the crew of Apollo 8 reading verses from the Bible Christmas Eve while in orbit around the moon? (Listening to that still gives me chills.)

How about Buzz Aldrin taking Communion immediately after landing on the moon?

In fact there are many examples of Christians expressing their faith while in space.

22 posted on 12/01/2002 5:46:35 PM PST by TomB
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To: gg188
"Smudged" my a**. This man utilized the Religious Freedom Act to smoke a little creeper before blasting-off on the greatest carnival-ride in the galaxy. I envy him.
23 posted on 12/01/2002 5:46:48 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: gg188
Good grief, any time a non-Christian wants to do anything you people explode. If non-Christians aren't going to get civil rights in your America, should we still have to pay taxes? Dhimmitude is dhimmitude, no matter who is enforcing it.
24 posted on 12/01/2002 5:51:15 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: gg188
How is your post any different from one complaining about a Christian astronaut holding a pre-flight prayer and carrying a lucky item that his daughter gave him?

Last time I checked, the US wasn't restricted to Christians only.
25 posted on 12/01/2002 5:56:35 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: gg188
Ever met any of the people who have flown the shuttle and gone to the station? I have. They are the best of the best. Check out his bio.

So what if he did what he did prior to the flight. You have to admire the man because he got to GO!

Worry about the idiots saying "kill the infidels", not this guy.....

26 posted on 12/01/2002 6:00:01 PM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: gg188
if someone can claim that a wooden flute is "spiritual", why not a softpack of Marlboros

Or two sticks joined in the shape of a cross?

I'm not gonna get worked up over this.

27 posted on 12/01/2002 6:01:47 PM PST by fourdeuce82d
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To: gg188

That's a good idea.

"I am Jhoffa_ and as a devout Marlboroite I find your attempted infringment on my Constitutional Right to practice my religion unacceptable"

Sure, it's pretty lame. But then so is the case made by the manipulators.

28 posted on 12/01/2002 6:05:46 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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move along, nothing to see here--just another bigot thinking FR is the place to come out of the closet and take the American out of 'Americana'

he was probably just encouraged by all the posts titled with "Religion of Peace" alerts and condemning non-hostiles for worshipping the god of their ancestors
29 posted on 12/01/2002 6:06:49 PM PST by dwills
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To: gg188
See Question #11.
30 posted on 12/01/2002 6:09:59 PM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: gg188
A HON WA SEN NA IEN IE SOS O KA RIS TI IA KON!

(There.. does that help? )
31 posted on 12/01/2002 6:10:54 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: VoiceOfBruck
he and a good friend "smudged" "Smudged?"

Maybe it involves gobs of vaseline? Herrington sounds like he's a freak.

32 posted on 12/01/2002 6:12:20 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Jhoffa_
Hey You Are A ™:Devout Marlboroite"™.Too ?????....

My Indian Name is "SmokealotofUltraLighties"
33 posted on 12/01/2002 6:12:25 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: BenLurkin
Almost as freakish as someone eating the body, and drinking the blood, of christ...

Now THAT is just plain sick... ;0)
34 posted on 12/01/2002 6:13:39 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Lyford
My god! We sent a papist into space?!?! Well, the earth still spins, so I guess it was OK. ;-)
35 posted on 12/01/2002 6:15:11 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: cmsgop
Ahhp! I forgot the little (tm) thing.

They are gonna take my house now, aren't they?

36 posted on 12/01/2002 6:15:15 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Chad Fairbanks
For anyone who cares, it reads 'Praise to Jesus in the Eucharist' in one of those pagan, stome age samianism languages... ;0)
37 posted on 12/01/2002 6:15:41 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Jhoffa_
Yup !!! Your screwed, LMAO!!!!!!
38 posted on 12/01/2002 6:16:55 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: xm177e2
What's this you people stuff?
39 posted on 12/01/2002 6:17:27 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: gg188
Well at least he didn't take some peyote along with him....
40 posted on 12/01/2002 6:19:23 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: TomB
How about Buzz Aldrin taking Communion immediately after landing on the moon?

Buzz Aldrin is also a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason, and he took a little Masonic pennant depicting the Scottish Rite's double-headed eagle symbol to the moon with him.

Oh, but we know the Masons are Satanic Illuminists, so he couldn't have been taking Christian communion up there, couldn't he? /sarcasm

41 posted on 12/01/2002 6:40:27 PM PST by MikalM
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To: MikalM
Yea, I hear he went through hell to smuggle the virgin on board so he could have a proper sacrifice....

;-)

42 posted on 12/01/2002 6:55:42 PM PST by TomB
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To: gg188
Maybe next time we can send up that S&M dude who's doing arms inspections in Iraq?

When our astronauts flout their personal lives and agendas, rather than focusing purely on mission, it makes our space program look unprofessional, and makes us nothing more than a laughing stock among the serious players on the world stage.

And no, it makes no difference whether it's Jerry Falwall thumping his bible or some Native American shaman lighting up.

43 posted on 12/01/2002 7:19:25 PM PST by The Duke
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To: gg188
Nothing personal against Mr. Herrington, but the Chickasaw Nation could have lived on this earth for another 50,000 years, and jumping three feet off the ground would have been the closest they ever came to flying, let alone traveling to outer space.
44 posted on 12/01/2002 7:25:44 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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Nothing personal against Mr. Herrington, but the Chickasaw Nation could have lived on this earth for another 50,000 years, and jumping three feet off the ground would have been the closest they ever came to flying, let alone traveling to outer space.

Best way to get about is on your own two feet.

45 posted on 12/01/2002 7:42:43 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Clara Lou
What's this you people stuff?

There's more than one of them, and in some places (South Carolina, apparently) they have enough political power to legislate away our freedoms. They also like to play the part of innocent victim/martyr and whine about how everybody else is smearing them and it's not fair. They can take away our freedoms, and when we complain about it, we're labeled whiners or we're accused of being overly fixated on the subject.

If tattoos are such a trivial thing, why is it necessary to outlaw them?

46 posted on 12/01/2002 7:55:12 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Clara Lou
Oops, I thought I posted the "you people" comment on a different thread. I'll try again:

There's more than one of them, they tend to travel in packs, and they are hostile to anything that isn't their faith, to the point of wanting NO non-Christians in the space program (they might make room for a few Jews, being so progressive and all, but they've got no room for native American Indians, a people who were slaughtered by germs and almost finished off by Christians)

47 posted on 12/01/2002 7:57:06 PM PST by xm177e2
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"... 1. Imagine if a CHRISTIAN had wanted to puff a cigarette before taking off into space...Imagine a Christian speaking of Jesus as this guy speaks of "Mother Earth"..."

In the first flight around the Moon, the astronauts of Apollo 8 read ten verses from the Book of Genesis on Christmas Eve.

Immediately after landing on the Moon, Apollo 12 astronaut 'Buzz' Aldrin took Communion and read:

"I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing." John 15:5

48 posted on 12/01/2002 8:33:47 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: TomB
How about the crew of Apollo 8 reading verses from the Bible Christmas Eve while in orbit around the moon? (Listening to that still gives me chills.)

I agree - I consider it one of the great moments of the 20th century

49 posted on 12/02/2002 6:39:36 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Actually, I care, and I was going to ask you that. I had prepared a post with that question, but then I decided to scroll down.

[Amazing the things some people can get themselves lathered up about around here, ain't it? ; )]

50 posted on 12/02/2002 7:54:41 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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