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The Battle of Savo Island - Aug 9, 1942 _ U.S. Navy's Worst Defeat
WW2 PACIFIC ^ | Unknown | Unknown

Posted on 12/04/2002 5:37:50 AM PST by SAMWolf

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To: sphinx; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; curmudgeonII; roderick; Notforprophet; river rat; csvset; ...
Battle of Savo Island ping

If you want on or off the Western Civilization Military History ping list, let me know.
21 posted on 12/04/2002 8:37:29 AM PST by Sparta
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To: KeyWest; SAMWolf
It's amazing how much went on that never makes it to the history books...or articles. I've learned similar things about the air war over Guadalcanal in conversation with Joe Foss.

As SAM said, we honor your father's service and thank you for bringing us his story.
22 posted on 12/04/2002 8:54:26 AM PST by HiJinx
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To: SAMWolf; Sparta
Bump

Sparta, Add me on the ping list.. Thanks
23 posted on 12/04/2002 8:57:54 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: SAMWolf

USS Quincy (CA-39)

Photographed from a Japanese cruiser during the Battle of Savo Island, off Guadalcanal, 9 August 1942. Quincy, seen here burning and illuminated by Japanese searchlights, was sunk in this action.

24 posted on 12/04/2002 9:07:36 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: aomagrat
Thanks, aomagrat.

The Solomons saw some of the last Battleship surface actions. It became a carrier war after that.
25 posted on 12/04/2002 9:11:52 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: HiJinx
>>I've learned similar things about the air war over Guadalcanal in conversation with Joe Foss.

After Savo Island, the fact that Joe Foss and others maintained a fragile air superiority over Guadalcanal, from Henderson Field, was about all that stopped serious daytime naval bombardment of the Marines. The Marines were "lucky" that the Japanese capital ships would only run down the Slot for less-accurate night time bombardments.


26 posted on 12/04/2002 9:19:35 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Sparta
BTW, are you putting all of these Western Civilization Military History posts on your FReeper home page? They deserve to all be somewhere like that.
27 posted on 12/04/2002 9:25:20 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: FreedomPoster
Yes I do put them on my homepage.
28 posted on 12/04/2002 9:28:43 AM PST by Sparta
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To: SAMWolf
Thank God for Marine leaders like Carlson, Edson and Puller.

They knew jungle fighting from the “Banana Wars”.

Since there was a shortage of barbed wire, they strung out shell fragments on wire to use as a listening device.

Question; Have you ever read Manchesters book “Goodbye Darkness”?

29 posted on 12/04/2002 9:28:52 AM PST by johnny7
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To: FreedomPoster
That is so true. The reason air superiority was critical is that it gave US airmen the relative freedom to engage the Japanese warships, when they showed, without worrying too much about Japanese fighters.

There's another post running today about the Christmas Truce of 1914, and someone said that never happened again afterwards. Well, true, but not quite. Joe Foss and Saburo Sakai have met on several occasions since the war. Sakai likes to remind Joe that he shot Joe down, and Joe just responds with a friendly nod. They've been able to separate their war years from the rest of their lives, and are amicable to this day. Sadly, Joe's days are probably just about over.

HJ
30 posted on 12/04/2002 9:30:29 AM PST by HiJinx
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To: Sparta; All
Cool. Thanks for doing all of this, and thanks to those posting the initial threads, other than Sparta. I need to get motivated to put one up. ;-)
31 posted on 12/04/2002 9:38:36 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: HiJinx
In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, did you read about Joe, while travelling to West Point to speak to the cadets, almost getting his Medal of Honor confiscated by the morons at airport security? They were worried about him using the medal as a weapon!
32 posted on 12/04/2002 9:41:11 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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It happened at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport. Talk about morons! As a matter of fact, there's a post on topic today, here.
33 posted on 12/04/2002 9:44:39 AM PST by HiJinx
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Oops, wrong post. That was the English only case in Northern Arizona. I meant to link to this one about a mentally challenged prospective baggage handler.
34 posted on 12/04/2002 9:48:23 AM PST by HiJinx
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To: SAMWolf
My father (10th Marines) watched all this go down from Red Beach -- he said it was so intense it was as if the sun had not gone down that evening. The sinking feeling came when the sun came up the next morning and the horizon was completely empty. No USN to be seen anywhere! The Marines didn't know if they had all been sunk or whatever. For the next 60-90 days they lived on canned corned beef and hardtack crackers. In the early 1950s when my father was a printer at the Washington Post, I used to watch him as he made his perpetual night-shift lunch: canned corn beef sandwiches on Wonder Bread. That would be like you & me eating MREs for the rest of our days.
35 posted on 12/04/2002 9:51:22 AM PST by Snickersnee
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I thank your father for his service. Guadacanal was a nightmare for the Marines, they were operating on a shoestring.
36 posted on 12/04/2002 10:04:11 AM PST by SAMWolf
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One of the great lessons that came out of the battle was that we lost ships because of fire resulting from peacetime practices. Dust was allowed to collect in the ventilation ducts over many years of just being show ships, so that when they took a hit and fire broke out, it spread throughout the whole ship quickly.

Not to mention wooden furniture.

After Savo Island, wooden furniture was no longer allowed aboard U.S. Navy ships.

37 posted on 12/04/2002 2:43:27 PM PST by Polybius
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To: SAMWolf
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38 posted on 12/04/2002 2:47:46 PM PST by Centurion2000
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ABOARD USS TARAWA, Western Pacific -- The Tarawa Amphibious Ready Group (ARG) stopped near the Solomon Islands recently for a wreath-laying ceremony, their latest stop on a path through the Pacific that has become a memorial trail of U.S. involvement in World War II.

Ceremonies were held aboard the ARG’s three ships -- USS Tarawa (LHA 1), USS Duluth (LPD 6) and USS Anchorage (LSD 36) -- to pay respects to the veterans of the many air, land and sea battles known as the Battle of Guadalcanal.

Hundreds of crewmembers and Marines from the 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) (Special Operations Capable) gathered on the flight deck during the ceremony on the San Diego-based Tarawa. Addressing the formation with Guadalcanal in the background, the Commodore of the Tarawa ARG, Capt. A.D. Wall, challenged the Sailors and Marines present to imagine a time more than 50 years ago.

"Step back in time, with Sailors and Marines who may be your fathers or grandfathers," said Wall. "Imagine the early years of World War II when the war was not going so well."

Wall highlighted the importance of the battle, which has often been described as a turning point in the Pacific theater.

Before the Battle of Guadalcanal, which began in the late summer of 1942, the Americans had suffered a string of defeats that enabled the Japanese to expand further west. In an attempt to slow down the Japanese expansion throughout the South Pacific, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Ernest King ordered a hastily assembled task force to make an amphibious assault on the little-known island of Guadalcanal to take a Japanese airbase.

During the next six months, isolated Marines fought desperately to defend the airfield they had taken, while at least 12 major naval engagements -- many of them surface battles at night -- raged in the waterways near the islands.

"The individual battles that made up the six months of Guadalcanal are too numerous to mention here," said Col. C.J. Gunther, 13th MEU(SOC) commanding officer, "but they include such names as Tulagi, the Solomon Islands, Coffin Corner, Ironbottom Sound and theTokyo Express. The action was so constant that every night saw some kind of fight or gun battle."

Guadalcanal was significant for several reasons. Over the course of numerous sea battles, including night surface encounters, the United States painfully learned the lessons of conducting naval operations after dark. The battle also struck at Japanese confidence and established the will and determination of the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps. In a campaign of attrition, American forces lost 615 planes and 25 warships but destroyed more than 680 aircraft and 24 warships. The myth of Japanese invincibility had been dealt a devastating blow.

"These gritty champions of freedom had turned the tide in the Pacific," said Wall.

After the speeches, Wall accompanied Gunther and Tarawa's commanding officer, Capt. Garry Hall to the flight deck, as a Sailor and a Marine dropped the wreath into the same waters that claimed the burning hulks of the heavy cruisers USS Vincennes, USS Astoria and USS Quincy almost 58 years ago.

"This was a good history lesson," said Yeoman Seaman Vevalyn Smith, the Tarawa Sailor who dropped the ceremonial wreath. "I didn’t know anything about the battle until we had the ceremony."

The Tarawa ARG made the stop near Guadalcanal during its six-month deployment to the Western Pacific and Indian Ocean. Since arriving in the Central Pacific, the Tarawa ARG has steamed along a route that could be easily labeled as a World War II Memorial Trail.

After leaving Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, (the site of the USS Arizona Memorial and USS Missouri -- the respective symbolic beginning and end of the war in the Pacific) the ARG stopped at the Tarawa Atoll. On the island of Betio, the primary site of the fighting during the Battle of Tarawa, local islanders greeted a contingent of approximately 100 Sailors and Marines who arrived for a memorial ceremony. The stop at Guadalcanal marks the third major World War II site the ARG has visited in less than three weeks.

"This is a lot different than just reading about it in books or hearing it told in stories," said Sgt. Pablo Cortez, a member of the Amphibious Squadron Five staff and the Marine who dropped the wreath. "When you see the island, the reality of what happened there hits home."

39 posted on 12/04/2002 7:07:56 PM PST by SAMWolf
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BTTT
40 posted on 12/04/2002 7:11:01 PM PST by Soaring Feather
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