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Clinton Offers Rx For Ailing Democrats [Bill Clinton -- Help or Hindrance for Democrats?]
CBSNEWS ^ | Thursday, Demcember 5, 2002

Posted on 12/05/2002 3:47:23 AM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 12/05/2002 4:41:50 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

(CBS) Former President Bill Clinton says it's time for the Democratic Party to put November's devastating election losses behind them and move on. Continues.

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Bill Clinton -- Help or Hindrance for Democrats?

What I'm about to say won't, I suspect, be popular with some -- especially among my fellow conservative brethren. But I will say it regardless and let the chips fall where they may.

First, before I expound, let me make a few things perfectly clear: I absolutely, thoroughly -- vehemently -- detest x42. (Calling Bill Clinton "president" or "ex-president" would be, in my view, conferring minimal dignity and honor, neither which this galling louse, a trample-under-foot affront to the office itself, deserves nor merits, so I'll refrain.) I am, moreover, a bloated-with-pride, life-long, card-carrying member of Hillary!'s gloriously 'Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy', implicated in all its nefarious "iniquities" (i.e., vigorously opposed the Hillary! "health" plan, Clinton tax increases, Pentagon cuts, gays in the military, gun-control, wag-the-dog wars, etc., even -- and here is the mother-of-all my proud transgressions -- loudly endorsed Clinton's impeachment and removal from office).

The point of all this? As far as anti-Clintonism goes, I don't take a back seat to anyone.

That said, I must take exception to the notion, expressed by certain leading conservatives, oddly questioning Clinton's proficiency and prowess in the art of politics. X42's speech in New York Wednesday before the Democratic Leadership Council has prompted the renewed debate and discussion.

Folks, let's face it: Regardless of what you think of Bill 'I-Did-Not-Have-Sex-With-That-Woman' Clinton personally, the lousy bum eats, sleeps, drinks, walks and talks politics -- and it shows. Clinton, the 'I'll-Do-Whatever-It-Takes-To-Win' two-termer, isn't a policy wonk as much as a high guru of press-the-flesh, pound-the-pavement, rough-and-tumble electioneering. There's a reason why Democrats see in Clinton the 'mother's milk of politics' itself. At vote-getting, if at nothing else, x42 is a winner.

Want proof?

Well, let's take the last elections, shall we?

In the run-up to November 5, Clinton visited a number of key states, stumping for fellow Democrats locked in close races, mobilizing voters to the polls in droves.

Case in point: Connecticut. Clinton stumped hard for Democrat Bill Curry, rallying the party faithful and propelling the gubernatorial hopeful to landslide victory November 5.

What? He didn't win, you say?

Well, let me double-check -- I don't believe you.

Sheesh ... oh well ... it seems as if Democrat Curry was indeed beaten -- no, crushed -- by GOP Governor John G. Rowland. Okay, okay, so I got one wrong, big deal! I stand by my basic thesis.

All right, what about Clinton's big win in Arkansas? X42 practically blitzed the state on behalf of Democrat challenger Jimmie Lou Fisher. On Election Day, the gambit paid off, big time -- she's now Arkansas Governor-elect.

All right -- what's the matter now? You say she lost, too? Baloney! That can't be -- no way would I get two wrong in a row.

I'll prove it to you......I'll look it up..

*Checking*

Uh-Oh...drats! You're right...she did lose, badly -- GOP Governor Mike Huckabee trounced her, apparently.

All right, smart-alex -- what about Democrat Senate challenger Mark Pryor? Don't tell me he lost -- I know for a fact he bested GOP incumbent Senator Tim Hutchinson, with Clinton's help.

Oops, another boo-boo. Clinton, it turns out, didn't campaign for Pryor at all -- Pryor, in fact, didn't want X42 anywhere near him. Okay, so I messed up again. I still think my basic thesis stands, however.

A real case where 'Clinton magic' did seem to work: Massachussets. Democrat Shannon O'Brien's crushing victory over her GOP rival in the state's highly contested governor's race is testament to the Clinton coattail effect.

Okay -- what's your problem now? She lost, too?! In Massachussets?! With Clinton helping her?

That's not possible! This I've got to see to believe!

*Checking...*

Well, smarty-pants, stick another feather in your cap -- you've done it again. You're right, it appears she did lose. Republican Mitt Romney hosed her, big time. Incredible, absolutely mindboggling -- in a state where you can fit every Republican in a phone booth, with room to spare! Even with Clinton campaigning for her -- she still lost!

Okay, what about Maryland, another state where X42 campaigned like there was no tomorrow? Oops...Democrat Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend went down in flames... Never mind.

Wait a minute...Clinton's hard-driving push in Florida helped put Democrat challenger Bill McBride over the top, did it not? Oops, Gov. Jeb Bush made mince-meat of McBride. Never mind.

Ha! Have you forgotten New York? Clinton helped secure victory for Democrat challenger Carl McCall in his race for governor after forcing Andrew Cuomo to withdraw...oops! McCall lost, too...never mind.

Okay, so Clinton wasn't so hot on the campaign trail.

But what about the string of victories by former Clinton Cabinet officers...hmmmm?

Want names? Okay, here ya go: Ira Shapiro, Fred DuVal, Pete Dagher, Robert Reich, Janet Reno -- all were former Clinton Cabinet officers, and all won. Oops, wait, they all lost -- in the primaries, to boot. Sorry again.

All right, how about Steve Andreasen, Gloria Tristani and Erskine Bowles -- all high ranking Clinton people who won....uh-oh...oops...wait...yikes!...they got crushed, too! Well, at least they made it out of the primaries.

Okay, okay, so my thesis isn't so hot, after all.

I do know one thing, though: With Clinton back in the spotlight, Republicans will keep on chortling and Democrats will keep on losing elections.

Suits me just fine! =^)

Anyway, that's..

My two cents..
"JohnHuang2"



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Thursday, Demcember 5, 2002

Quote of the Day by colorado tanker

1 posted on 12/05/2002 3:47:23 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
John,
Don't dispair, your thesis is correct as far as it goes, but it doesn't take into account two small details.
First, the candidates that slimeball stumped for were not named Clinton! The spell that he cast on 43% of the population in '92 only works for himself and his slimy spouse. Charisma is a personal thing after all.
Second, is that it doesn't factor in the Other Political Animal in our midst. Our own W. This guy knows enough about politics to flummux Rush Limbaugh. If that's not enough, Karl Rove is there to play backup.
Other than those two things, I agree with you completely.

Be well...

P.S. It didn't hurt our cause that the Dims that had Slimeball campaign for them, were themselves clymers of the first order. Hard to get the people to forget the stink once they've stepped in it...

2 posted on 12/05/2002 4:15:00 AM PST by Wingy
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To: xm177e2; mercy; Wait4Truth; hole_n_one; GretchenEE; Clinton's a rapist; buffyt; ladyinred; Angel; ..
Computer fan is giving me trouble again, but I'll have a replacement by Friday (fingers crossed). God bless y'all -- see ya then.

Oh...one more thing:

Fifty-two is better than 51, so if you're in Louisiana, remember to GOTV for....

Suzanne Haik Terrell for U.S. Senate!


3 posted on 12/05/2002 4:16:38 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Wingy
My "thesis" was only tongue-in-cheek ;^) For Dems, Clinton, politically, is radioactive -- his 'coattails are negative.

Rather than helping Democrats, having Clinton campaigning has the opposite effect: It helps Republican candidates. =^)

See ya, my friend.

4 posted on 12/05/2002 4:23:14 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
It's not Clinton that we must be worried about, but Clintonism. It is still alive and well in the form of the Mrs and others like her who the media can package and re-package to the unsuspecting public. Never forget....we the people bought the lies in 92 and 96.

I know you are an eternal optimist on this question, but the evidence still exists out there that Americans can always be duped by the 'latest product' on the market. It's just a matter of time before a new 'slick' gets 'slick' marketing.

Vigilance.

5 posted on 12/05/2002 4:26:09 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: JohnHuang2
Q ERTY8

 rodham-clinton reality-check

Democrat Debacle of '02

BUMP!

CLINTON-WAS-AN-UTTER-FAILURE Containment Team Scheme Fails Again

  • clinton Lectures Democrats/DLC
  • Tries to Deflect Blame for Democrat Debacle Away From clinton-clinton-Gore Failures/Grotesqueries & Onto Democrats
  • NY Times-Adam Nagourney Article Annotated

 

 

 

annotated article

(Note: graphics intensive)

Q ERTY9

BUSH: "I will not wait on events, while dangers gather."

 

Q ERTY6

utter failure

Q ERTY8

 rodham-clinton reality-check

Democrat Debacle of '02

BUMP!


6 posted on 12/05/2002 5:13:09 AM PST by Mia T
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To: All
bttt for later read.....
7 posted on 12/05/2002 5:34:41 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Mia T
I would like to tell you that the picture of Clinton with the sax superimposed on the WTC is perhaps the most effective and brilliant photo essay I have seen in some time. Thank you...and I hope it gets wide distribution!
8 posted on 12/05/2002 5:56:38 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: JohnHuang2
'Fifty-two is better than 51, so if you're in Louisiana, remember to GOTV for [Terrell]'

I understand further that the difference would mean two Senate Committee chairs. Hehehehe...

As far as the 'Toon, the most loathsome man in America is firmly entrenched as the face of the Rat party. And he is not going anywhere. And that is good....

9 posted on 12/05/2002 7:33:17 AM PST by eureka!
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To: JohnHuang2; Mia T
What a great approach to the election results. I already knew all the results but this gave such punch to the sound trouncing of the X42 campaign help and his party.

Mia, your depiction of "Nero" Clinton raised goosebumps. That picture says more than all the thousands of words about his legacy in the event. Just remarkable. Thanks.

10 posted on 12/05/2002 8:14:06 AM PST by okimhere
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To: JohnHuang2
Right-on, John...x42 is the best thing there is for the pubbies... :o)
11 posted on 12/05/2002 9:40:02 AM PST by blackie
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To: Mia T
Your poster of x42 playing his sax is brilliant. Sums up his sorry presidential legacy.
12 posted on 12/05/2002 10:19:46 AM PST by Utah Girl
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To: JohnHuang2
Well-----LOL----I sorta kinda hate to say it, but your thesis really dove under the bottom and I am sooooooooooo glad!

Nice take. Don't ya LOVE that this boob head was addressing the Dem Leadership Council? hehe. These people are really, really lost! Taking advice from the man who fiddled with his sax and various other things [ ahem! ] while osama bin pig pen plotted and attacked our homeland, is truly the height of loooooooooonacy.

But....LOL...to then sit and take advice from a man who so obviously HELPED the dems achieve an astounding defeat in the midterm elections....well....geeeeeeeeeez...that transcends loooooooooonacy and hits pure IDIOCY!

But hey.......anything to help the conservatives, like you say, is ok with me!

13 posted on 12/05/2002 10:52:22 AM PST by Republic
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To: Mia T
Mia----I truly want to know if we can have your permission to get something going with that graphic of clinton and his sax fiddling while our nation was under seige by terrorists. We have to get this moving.....I just know it would be a national hit with every single patriot living in the naiton. And it would go a LONG way to stall hitlery's nefarious plots. Mia-it is incredibly powerful....whaddayasay?
14 posted on 12/05/2002 10:56:13 AM PST by Republic
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To: Republic
Thx.

I had responded to your original request. Now, which thread was it?? ;)

As long as Free Republic benefits, I would be happy to make it available. Keep me posted.
15 posted on 12/05/2002 11:11:41 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Oh thank you! I missed it-was watching for it but missed your response! Will get back to you ASAP!
16 posted on 12/05/2002 11:24:52 AM PST by Republic
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To: Republic
Can someone post the following picture for me on some of the current Clinton threads. Here's the link:

http://www.nwaonline.net/278226935730238.bsp

I always knew he was a d*** head.

17 posted on 12/05/2002 11:14:19 PM PST by razorbak
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To: JohnHuang2
I do know one thing, though: With Clinton back in the spotlight, Republicans will keep on chortling and Democrats will keep on losing elections.

Bump!!

18 posted on 12/06/2002 2:30:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Republic
excellent idea!

(the pic is here)

19 posted on 12/06/2002 10:58:13 AM PST by flamefront
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To: Mia T
You know, I love Bush but ... some of his statements simply crack me up ... "Dead or alive..." ... "The evildoers ... " ... "I will not wait on events, while dangers gather" ... etc. I'll take Bush any day over Clinton. With Clinton, you had to parse every single word -- which had been finessed by a platoon of White House hacks, spindoctors, and lawyers -- to try to discover the true meaning of what he was saying. Bush is honest and sincere. But he still cracks me up. ;-p
20 posted on 12/06/2002 11:11:11 AM PST by Bush2000
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