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9th Circuit upholds gun restrictions - Says individuals have limited weapons rights (more info)
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Posted on 12/06/2002 2:05:37 AM PST by chance33_98



9th Circuit upholds gun restrictions

Says individuals have limited weapons rights

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The 9th U.S. Circuit of Appeals on Thursday unanimously upheld most aspects of a California law restricting sales and ownership of semiautomatic firearms sometimes called assault weapons.

The San Francisco-based court rejected a challenge to the law based on recent interpretations of the Second Amendment by another federal appeals court and by the Justice Department.

The weapons law, enacted in 1989 and broadened in 1999, was challenged by nine Californians who owned or wanted to buy such firearms.

The decision is significant, legal experts said, not for its outcome, which was largely required by earlier decisions of the court, but for its extended rebuttal of more recent interpretations of the Second Amendment.

In 2001, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, in New Orleans, found that the Second Amendment broadly protects the rights of individuals to own guns. The decision on Thursday took the contrary view, that the amendment protects only a collective right to organize state militias.

Judge Stephen Reinhardt, writing for two members of a three-judge panel, said that a rebuttal was warranted because, except for the 2001 decision, "there exists no thorough judicial examination of the amendment's meaning."

The Supreme Court's most extensive treatment of the question, in 1939, was, Reinhardt wrote, "somewhat cryptic." Courts have generally interpreted the decision to support, though obliquely, the collective-rights model.

In footnotes in two filings with the Supreme Court in May, the Justice Department, reversed a view it had espoused for decades. The filings said the Second Amendment protects the rights of individuals "to possess and bear their own firearms, subject to reasonable restrictions."

Reinhardt, generally considered to be one of the nation's most liberal jurists, concluded that the text and history of the Second Amendment and judicial decisions interpreting it all support the view that the amendment protects only "the right of the people to maintain effective militias."

The three-judge panel did strike down as irrational an aspect of the law that allowed retired law enforcement officers to retain assault weapons.

A visiting federal appeals court judge, Frank J. Magill, joined in the result, but declined to join in the majority's discussion of the Second Amendment.

He wrote instead that, in light of precedent in the 9th Circuit, "it is unnecessary and improper to reach the merits of the Second Amendment claims or to explore the contours of the Second Amendment debate."

Judge Raymond Fisher was the third judge on the panel.

The National Rifle Association said it was disappointed with the ruling.

"From an organizational standpoint, for 131 years we've been standing steadfastly to protect the freedoms of all law abiding Americans and stand steadfastly that the Second Amendment is an individual right and will continue to do so," said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam.

He said "it was too early to tell" what ramification, if any, the court's decision would have and whether the decision would usher in calls for a fresh wave of gun control laws.

Attorneys for the suing gun owners were not immediately available to comment on whether they would appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Weapons owners challenged 1999 amendments to the 1989 law that originally outlawed 75 high-powered weapons that have rapid-fire capabilities. The Legislature passed the nation's first law banning such weapons after a gunman, Patrick Purdy, fired a semiautomatic weapon into a Stockton school yard, killing five children and injuring 30.

Following California's lead, several states and the federal government passed similar or even stricter bans.

In 1999, the California Legislature redrafted the law to ban copycat weapons with similar features to the banned weapons. Lawmakers adopted a provision that bans assault weapons based on a host of features instead of makes and models - a move that made illegal hundreds of so-called copycat weapons not clearly defined in the law.


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9th Circuit Court opinion (Silveira v Lockyer) dismisses 2nd Amendment argument was original thread. Reposted with more info.
1 posted on 12/06/2002 2:05:37 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
So? This is the 9th U.S. Circuit of Appeals and they never get anything right.
2 posted on 12/06/2002 2:07:43 AM PST by Hunble
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To: chance33_98
Well, if the 9th says that the second amendment only
applies to the ability of citizens to form militias,
then that means the guys down on the border with Mexico
are in the right!
3 posted on 12/06/2002 5:17:34 AM PST by G-Bear
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To: *bang_list
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4 posted on 12/06/2002 5:31:19 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: chance33_98
Reinhardt, generally considered to be one of the nation's most liberal jurists,...

if he is so liberal, why does he continually rule to restrict things...

5 posted on 12/06/2002 7:00:58 AM PST by teeman8r
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To: chance33_98
I'm confused. If the admendment protects the right of the people to form effective militias, who supplies the arms for those militias? Is it the government that is supposed to arm us so we can be effective? And if so, just what will they arm us with if not "assault" rifles.
6 posted on 12/06/2002 7:07:59 AM PST by Brad C.
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To: chance33_98
And so the 9th Circuit continues in it's quest to be the most overturned court in the land...

Nothin' to see here folks, keep movin'

7 posted on 12/06/2002 7:12:36 AM PST by bullseye1911
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To: chance33_98
The 9th U.S. Circuit of Appeals on Thursday unanimously upheld most aspects of a California law restricting sales and ownership of semiautomatic firearms sometimes called assault weapons.

"The 9th Circuit"... those words are suffcient to ignore anything that follows!

8 posted on 12/06/2002 7:14:27 AM PST by ExSES
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To: Dan from Michigan
Had the Bush administration chosen to pursue Emerson, this ruling would never have happened. Considering that, how satisfied are you that the Solicitor General is going to give this case its due? Which do you prefer, Emerson or a test of a right to own assault weapons?

9 posted on 12/06/2002 7:30:14 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Admin Moderator
Should this have been breaking news?
10 posted on 12/06/2002 7:31:35 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: teeman8r
Justice Reinhardt's wife Mona Ripston belongs to the ACLU. Today liberals believe in collectivist rights. You see according to the Nine Circus clowns, only the state has rights. So in a twisted sort of way their ruling makes perfect sense. All the same, its ahistorical, un-American, and unconstitutional.
11 posted on 12/06/2002 7:33:13 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
Reinhardt is 71 years old, going on 72. We can only hope that he is thinking of retirement.
12 posted on 12/06/2002 7:36:26 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Reinhardt is 71 years old, going on 72. We can only hope that he is thinking of retirement.

He just did us a huge favor. Liberals usually try to be much more subtle that this. Reinhardt, IMO, wrote this decision in stark langauge that almost demands a SCOTUS review.

13 posted on 12/06/2002 7:38:56 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Two circuit courts have now written diametrically opposed opinions on the second amendment. It's now ripe for the SCOTUS.
14 posted on 12/06/2002 7:42:04 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: dirtboy
I hope the SC waits a couple of years. I don't feel comfortable with the present court deciding such a case....without one or two more new additions.
15 posted on 12/06/2002 7:42:06 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: goldstategop
Isn't Reinhardt the same judge who said the pledge of allegiance was unconstitutional? The guy who wrote the Emerson opinion has a much better rep, IMHO.
16 posted on 12/06/2002 7:53:11 AM PST by hchutch
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To: hchutch
I dunno. Reinhardt is as liberal as the rest of the wackos on the Left Coast. The Los Angeles Times must be having gasps of collective multiple orgasms this morning and the liberals are for the moment at least, in Seventh Heaven.
17 posted on 12/06/2002 7:57:01 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
The Brady Act case shows we have five votes (O'Connor, Kennedy, Thomas, Scalia, and Rhenquist). This will go the same way. I'd feel better if we had another vote or two, but we may be stuck with the Court we have unless Stevens or Ginsburg decides to retire.
18 posted on 12/06/2002 8:03:39 AM PST by hchutch
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To: chance33_98
The ABC radio news feed left out the part about this being a 9th circuit court decision. Meaning we can expect it will be overturned in about 8 nanoseconds.
19 posted on 12/06/2002 8:08:10 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Carry_Okie
I no longer worry about the legality of having guns in my home.

When I joined and served in the Army for twenty years, it was to defend and protect our Constitution.

Today, I am too old to actually fight.

However, it is still my duty to supply the arms and ammunition that may be needed by our young patriots, if it is ever required in the future.

On that issue, I know my duties as a citizen and no longer care what new laws are written.

Laws which are in violation of this basic principle, will be ignored..

20 posted on 12/06/2002 8:17:45 AM PST by Hunble
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