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The Supreme Court: Unlocked Doors and Whitey
IntellectualConservative.com ^ | Friday, December 6th | Brian S. Wise

Posted on 12/06/2002 5:57:06 PM PST by Tina Johnson

The Supreme Court will hear three cases that should be of particular interest to conservatives, as the subsequent rulings could put significant weight behind two of the Right’s grander tenets. First, Lawrence v. Texas, in which the Court will determine the validity of anti-sodomy laws in 13 States, concerning the 1998 arrests of John Geddes Lawrence and Tyron Garner, who were caught in Lawrence’s apartment engaging in acts of sodomy. (The two eventually plead no contest and paid $200 fines.)

Now most Right-wingers will read that and wonder, “What conservative tenet does this address, exactly?” None, unless you take seriously Ronald Reagan’s long held wish to get government off of the people’s backs and out of their lives. President Reagan was speaking of the federal government, of course, but taking the extra step to include State and local governments is not only desirable but logical, at which point one must admit getting off of one’s back should include not giving a damn what happens in his bedroom, provided all are adults, all consent and the neighbors aren’t being kept awake. (All right, that last bit is self-serving, but still.)

We are speaking here of laws in 13 States banning sodomy, nine of which are for both sexes (Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia), the other four pertaining strictly to gays (these are Texas, Kansas, Missouri and Oklahoma). How does a municipality go about enforcing said laws, exactly? In the case of Lawrence and Garner, a false report about an armed intruder was made to police, who then walked into the unlocked apartment and proceeded to make a federal case out of it. Literally. If not for an unlocked door, these State laws would probably be allowed to stand. And let’s make no mistake about it, they should all be overturned.

Put aside for a moment the normal arguments regarding whether or not one has a constitutional right to sodomy, or whether or not the integrity of the anti-AIDS crusade can be upheld, and consider just this: Part of having and enjoying autonomy – and in this it is meant the autonomy of human beings, not just American citizens – is being able to make up one’s mind regarding those activities not necessarily typical of his contemporaries. A man or woman of sound mind and majority can choose whether or not to undergo or skip cancer treatments, whether or not they can be kept alive artificially should some horrible trauma befall them, whether or not their organs can be harvested and donated to those in need. To suggest the same adults who are presumably capable of making these decisions cannot decide rationally on the matter of oral and / or anal sex, and must therefore be overseen by law (no matter how generally unenforceable) is ludicrous. It’s an idea that supplants the ability of adults to decide for themselves what happens within their own walls; private walls, after all.

The second and third cases are Gratz v. Bollinger and Grutter v. Bollinger, in which the Court will consider the University of Michigan’s open race-based preference admissions policy. Here two white students were turned away from the University’s undergraduate and law schools respectively in favor of “minority applicants.” The interest to conservatives is obvious: It should be said by the Supreme Court that every man and woman trying to get into college should be considered by the weight of their intellect, not the color of their skin (to adapt Reverend King’s well spoken expression).

It’s fine for one to wish upon the Court the wisdom to make the proper decision (and I do), but how come no one has ever complained about racial preferences on the University’s basketball court and football field? The University of Michigan has for years produced basketball and football teams that have not only contended for Big Ten and national championships, but have won them, as well. At some point the dictum “Whitey Really Isn’t Needed Here, Unless He’s a Quarterback or a Center” came from on high, and not so much as one fit was ever pitched. Weren’t nitwits brought onto campus for the sole purpose of putting the University within shouting distance of one championship or another (Yes; e.g., Chris Webber), and therefore haven’t large bags of cash been dumped on administration desks, one after the other, as a result?

Well sure, that’s because we’re talking about sports, and the standards there have come to be held at different levels for sports teams, especially in large Division 1-A schools like … well … the University of Michigan. So the Right should know, in this matter, even if the Court rules on the side of logic, there will always, always, be race-based preferences on the college campus, some preferences just stated more loudly than others.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Michigan; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: supremecourt
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To: Karsus
A sad response. And plain dumb too.
41 posted on 12/06/2002 7:11:16 PM PST by bvw
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To: Abcdefg
1: True. But you are taking this to the extreme.
2: So it is now a crime if I have my door unlocked. Silly me.
3: Yes. But local standards should have no effect on what consenting adults do in THEIR OWN HOME as long as no one else is harmed.
4: But is still was their home.
42 posted on 12/06/2002 7:12:19 PM PST by Karsus
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To: FreedomCalls
The column wasn't about unintended consequences. It was about those three Supreme Court cases. The format is limited. It's a column, not an essay.
43 posted on 12/06/2002 7:12:57 PM PST by Tina Johnson
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To: Tina Johnson
"bedroom" being used here inclusively. You've never had sex on a couch? Come on.
Isn't that getting a bit personal? Should I ask you how you like to do it? Of course not, Tina. I like to keep private what should be private.
If those two in Houston had simply locked the door before engaging, we would likely not be having this discussion.
44 posted on 12/06/2002 7:13:05 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: bvw
This coming from someone that seriously thinks that seting up some towels makes a private area. private areas are already defined in the law.
45 posted on 12/06/2002 7:13:39 PM PST by Karsus
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To: Tina Johnson
Yes, it is the State's business. That was my point. There is nothing in the Constitution prohibiting the states from enacting sodomy laws.

The laws predate the Constitution, in fact, and no one had the slightest notion when that document was drafted, that all of them would become "null and void."

Yes, if you agree with Algore that the Constitution is a "living, breathing document" that suddenly has become morally relativistic, I guess you can make that argument.

But as a strict constructionist I reject such.

46 posted on 12/06/2002 7:13:42 PM PST by Illbay
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To: meyer
Well, I have to ask - Is conventional (normal, heterosexual) sex between consenting adults in privacy prohibited in some states? I don't believe so.

"Conventional (normal, heterosexual) sex between consenting adults in privacy" is prohibited in all states except Nevada if money changes hands.

47 posted on 12/06/2002 7:14:58 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: Abcdefg
You'd have thought Texas would have passed the "Texas Gays Should Lock Their Doors Before Buggery" law by now. Silly me.
48 posted on 12/06/2002 7:15:07 PM PST by Tina Johnson
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To: Abcdefg
So it is now illegal to have your door unlocked?
49 posted on 12/06/2002 7:15:42 PM PST by Karsus
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To: bvw
Homosexual sodomy is a criminal act -- if a culture is a good enough one to see an evil for an evil. Are we a culture that confused?

Homosexual sodomy is weird - I find it extremely repulsive. But, it is apparent that a handful of people don't. The reach of law ends at the threshold of each person's castle, to be passed only upon warrant of activity that pose a threat to society for whatever reason. As long as it stays behind closed doors, I don't see it as a threat to society.

50 posted on 12/06/2002 7:15:58 PM PST by meyer
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To: bvw
But what about the states (We are speaking here of laws in 13 States banning sodomy, nine of which are for both sexes (Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia)) that make it illegal for Man and Wife?
51 posted on 12/06/2002 7:16:45 PM PST by Karsus
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To: Illbay
Understood. But no one has yet to explain how ani-sodomy laws are at all to a State's best interests.
52 posted on 12/06/2002 7:17:02 PM PST by Tina Johnson
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To: Tina Johnson
Good idea! Instead, we have the no buggery law.
I agree with whatIllbay has written in this thread. This is a states rights and community standards issue.
53 posted on 12/06/2002 7:18:07 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: Karsus
But local standards should have no effect on what consenting adults do in THEIR OWN HOME as long as no one else is harmed.

Including allowing prostitution?

54 posted on 12/06/2002 7:18:36 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: Abcdefg
If those two in Houston had simply locked the door before engaging, we would likely not be having this discussion.

So, in Houston, the Police can cross the threshold if the door is unlocked? Isn't this the same PD that decided to arrest, among others, late night K-Mart shoppers and diners at Sonic's restaurant?

55 posted on 12/06/2002 7:18:41 PM PST by meyer
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To: Illbay
I can see it clearly. I just do not think the state has any right to get involved in the sex lives of its citizens.

It is also amazing to see "conservatives" who hate big goverment want to get the goverment involved on issues they don't like.
56 posted on 12/06/2002 7:18:44 PM PST by Karsus
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To: FreedomCalls
Does the prostitution harm anyone else?
57 posted on 12/06/2002 7:19:27 PM PST by Karsus
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To: meyer
Someone called them and they were investigating the call.
58 posted on 12/06/2002 7:19:59 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: Karsus
I just do not think the state has any right to get involved in the sex lives of its citizens.

Including criminalizing prostitution?

59 posted on 12/06/2002 7:20:00 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: meyer
Yes. Police abusing their power is ok just as long as it is for a "good" cause.

:->
60 posted on 12/06/2002 7:20:22 PM PST by Karsus
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