[tpaine]

Jonathon Spectre said:
"In order for there to be a crime, someone must be injured by either force or fraud. Period."

False. Period.
193 - roscoe

Give JS & I an example of a 'criminal' act we could commit upon *you*, roscoe, -- that would injure you without using force or fraud.
- Can you?
196 posted on 12/07/2002 1:05 PM PST by tpaine


Sure. You could open a crack house in my neighborhood.
How am I defrauded? How am I forced?
209 - illb

Hmmm, - I open a 'bootleg' party house in your neighborhood.
Unless I'm really stupid, and let my customers disturb the peace, you wouldn't even know we were there, correct? Unless we create a disturbance/cause harm, there is no criminal action committed to affect *you*, billy.

-- But if the peace of the neighborhood is being disturbed, you are being *forced* to contend with an undesireable situation, and if it continued your property could also lose value, -a type of *fraud*. - You would have lawful recourse for your injuries.

[bvw]

Other than you and young Sprout's own imaginations and wanna-be-ism can you give any historical support for your novel definition of crime? Or would you have that in the 5000 years (minimum) of civilization this has not been considered and is you two have happened upon it?