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Who’s Right on Second?
http://nationalreview.com/comment/comment-volohk120602.asp ^ | Eugene Volokh

Posted on 12/07/2002 4:37:46 AM PST by Leisler

Someone asked me a few days ago, after the Ninth Circuit's latest decision about the Second Amendment: Shouldn't courts read the Second Amendment as part of an evolving Constitution? Say the Ninth Circuit was wrong, last year's Emerson decision from the Fifth Circuit was right, and the Framers thought of the Amendment as securing an individual right. Shouldn't judges update it due to the passage of time, based on evolving standards of justice and practicality?

1. Well, here's one way to justify this position: The Second Amendment as written was meant to apply only to the federal government, and can only apply to the states via the Fourteenth Amendment. Thus, when we consider what the Second Amendment means with regard to state laws, we shouldn't look at what people in 1791 thought of the right-to-bear arms — we should look at what people in 1868 thought the Fourteenth Amendment would do as to the right-to-bear arms.

If we do that, we see that while in 1791 the Framers did think of the right as largely aimed at societal self-defense, including defense against government tyranny — albeit self-defense that would be assured through individual gun ownership — in 1868, people saw the right as also focused on private arms ownership aimed at protection against crime. The Freedmen's Bureau Act of 1866 (surely not intended by Congress to preserve states' powers to maintain their own armed military forces!) provided that

in every State or district where the ordinary course of judicial proceedings has been interrupted by the rebellion . . . the right to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, and give evidence, to inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property, and to have full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings concerning personal liberty, personal security, and the acquisition, enjoyment, and disposition of estate, real and personal, including the constitutional right to bear arms, shall be secured to and enjoyed by all the citizens of such State or district without respect to race or color, or previous condition of slavery [emphasis added].

Likewise, debates over the Fourteenth Amendment repeatedly referred to the need to protect freedmen and Union sympathizers from attempts by state governments to disarm them, and thus leave them vulnerable to criminal attack. An updated Second Amendment is thus at least as much an individual right as the original one.

2. Here's another way, which I disagree with, but which some might urge: We should look at what the public today thinks about the Second Amendment. If we do this, we see that the overwhelming majority of Americans believe that the Second Amendment secures an individual right to-bear arms: For instance, in an abcnews.com poll from earlier this year, 73 percent took that view, and 20 percent took the states' rights view.

Or perhaps the right question under this popular-sovereignty theory is whether the public thinks we should have the right-to-bear arms. The result would probably be similar: For instance, a Freedom Forum First Amendment Center poll earlier this year found that 48% of respondents saw "the right to own firearms" as "essential," and another 31% saw it as "important."

3. Here's a third way to gauge evolving standards — look to how Americans see this right as reflected in state constitutions. These constitutions, after all, are formal expressions of the public's will, and not just polls. But they are much easier to change than the federal constitution, so they should better reflect evolving views.

If we consider this, we'll see that Bills of Rights in 44 of the 50 state constitutions secure a right-to-bear arms. Most of them are quite explicit in securing an individual right, but I think all of them have to be understood this way: A Bill of Rights in a state constitution surely can't secure a right of the state, or of a small group selected and controlled by the state; it secures a right against the state.

What's more, since 1970, 14 states all across the country have either added a right-to-bear arms provision to their state Bill of Rights, or strengthened an existing one. Here's the most recent one, enacted in Wisconsin in 1998 by a 74 percent-26 percent vote: "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose."

4. So under all these approaches, the right-to-bear arms should be read as forcefully today as in 1791 — or perhaps more so. What then do people mean when they say that "evolving standards" should lead courts to reject the individual rights view of the Second Amendment? Seems to me there's only one meaning: That judges should look not to the Framers, not to the 1868 Ratifiers, not to state constitutions, and not even to polls — but only to what they think is right, or perhaps to what the social class to which they belong (elite urban lawyers) thinks is right. You don't like a constitutional right, your honor? You don't think it makes sense today? No problem! Just evolve it out of existence.

"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights," Justice Jackson wrote in the 1943 flag-salute case, "was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections." Words to live by, it seems to me.


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1 posted on 12/07/2002 4:37:46 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Leisler
Lets see, let me get this straight.....

the bill of rights is a list of individual rights not to be infringed by the Federal gov'ment.....That is, all but the second one and its different. Its some kind of wierd state right. Right!

Stand on your head you leftest scum in the queer city of San Francisco.

2 posted on 12/07/2002 4:47:44 AM PST by cb
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To: Leisler
Please forgive me, but with that title I just have to say, "No, Who's on first."
3 posted on 12/07/2002 4:57:09 AM PST by Samwise
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To: Leisler; Admin Moderator
Duplicate Post... see here
4 posted on 12/07/2002 5:02:29 AM PST by error99
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To: Leisler
Years ago Massachusetts public schools starting calling it "The Bill of Suggestions," and then deleted the suggestions they didn't like.
5 posted on 12/07/2002 6:47:28 AM PST by pabianice
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To: error99
I did a search using "Who's On Second..", and nothing came up?

Hey, I tried.
6 posted on 12/07/2002 6:06:23 PM PST by Leisler
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To: Leisler
This is a very simple debate for anyone who can actually read. Lets look at the first amendment for a second before we discuss the second.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.




As we can see the First Amendment addresses several different and separate rights not just one. If we bring in the Liberal assertion that the second amendment was a single right why not state that the first is a single right also. By this standard only the freedom of religion is absolute, speech and assembly even the freedom of the press are outgrowths of religion. This is to say, by the liberal view, only freedom to speak, write, or assemble for religious purposes are protected by the constition.




Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


There are two absolute rights ennumerated in the second amendment. The Militia which is defined as all able bodied men 18-54 (I think I may be wrong on the ages)and the right to keep and bear arms.


As the constitutional definition of Militia is as above it literally gives everyone the right to firearms on that basis alone not providing that it is two separate but equal rights.
7 posted on 12/07/2002 6:25:35 PM PST by Sentis
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To: Leisler
"Who's" on first.
"What's" on second.
(that was your mistake...)
8 posted on 12/08/2002 6:03:13 AM PST by error99
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