Europe's nations fading to the left

The Washington Times ^ | December 5, 2002 | Paul Craig Roberts

[Tailgunner Joe]

Europe as we have known it is disappearing. Soon there will be no France, no Germany, no Italy, no Austria, no Spain, no Denmark, no Belgium, no Netherlands, no Greece, no Ireland, no Great Britain. Every country will be gone. In their place will be the European Union.

[TD911]

Imagine there's no Europe, it's easy if you try........

[BuddhaBoy]

The EU only works because of US money and weaponry.

When the day comes that we pull our troops out of there, you will see this "union" collapse like a house of cards, looking for individual protection deals with the US.

The EU is such nonsense, I expect Canada to apply for membership soon.

[crypt2k]

They've invalidated their own roots and cultures...
nature abhors a vacuum...get ready for sharia law
in Europe.

[Bonaparte]

Ditto, BuddhaBoy. I usually agree with Roberts, but not this time. The EU is inherently flawed and unworkable, based as it is on the failed model of command economy. It's all academic anyway, since most of the continent will be controlled by muslims within a generation.

[Cicero]

Yes, all of this is true. But it's a question whether it will work. China is a real threat, because it is a real country with a united people. Whether Europe can achieve that kind of common culture is extremely questionable.

The United states was built from the bottom up, by the consent of the people. Europe is being built from the top down, on a very shaky foundation.

[LibKill]

This amazing diversity is to be replaced with an artificial creation that has no history and no language.

If only the eurotrash were struck mute. I'm tired of hearing them whine.

What is the European Union but a centralized bureaucracy with a monetary unit?

I'll bet the EU has trouble finding their monetary unit with a magnifying glass and tweezers.

[speekinout]

There's no way that all of these European countries would ever blend into a "United States of Europe". The Germans will never like the French who will never like the English, etc. They're trying an economic union, and I'm not so sure that will work.

[RippleFire]

BUMP

[muawiyah]

Europe has this multicentury history of almost constant war except for the last 57 years under American domination.

They have a choice - only one choice in fact - reject diversity to have peace, freedom and prosperty.

Or, embrace diversity and have war, tyranny, and possibly a Moslem takeover.

[Lessismore]

The sovereign countries of Continental Europe and Great Britain are products of unique histories and rich cultural distinctiveness. Each country's language, art, literature, philosophy, music, architecture, cuisine, and mores reflects the uniqueness of each country's history.

This amazing diversity is to be replaced with an artificial creation that has no history and no language.

This pretty much sums up what happened to our ancestors when they emmigrated to the United States. Most of us descend from continental Europe, but after a couple of generations, our ethnic identities have been subsumed into American mass culture, which, I suppose, could be described as "an artificial creation that has no history and no language". But was it such a bad thing?

[nwrep]

Aren't major European cities now, for all pratical purposes, Muslim? For example, isn't Paris a Muslim city already? I mean the number of believing, abiding, mosque-going Muslims outnumber the number of Church-going Christian believers. Can someone verify this and post such numbers? I am willing to bet that many of the following cities can now be declared Muslim by the same criterion:

London, Manchester, Stockholm, Hamburg, Amsterdam, Marseilles, Barcelona.

So regardless of the stupid EU coming into existence or not, their misguided immigration policies, and leftist attitudes have already ensured their cultural demise.

[quebecois]

The EU is a monstrosity that is being created largely against the wishes of the people of the member nations. Most of the referendums on its existence and expansion were rejected by the people, but the elites have gone right on plotting and have always gotten their way (so much for the concept of "self-government").

One of the big differences between the Europeans and Americans is that americans believe in self-government. That is, that the right to govern descends from the voluntary permission of the people. Europe is just the opposite. It has always been a group of societies where some big-shot rules the masses by some form of "divine right". The big-shots may change, but the overall idea remains the same.

Ayn Rand said it best "Europeans may rebel against their government, and may even hate it. But they never question government's right to rule over them. When they rebel, it is rather like a dependent slave who hates and flees from one master, only to seek a better master somewhere else."

[meenie]

The key word is assimilated. Most of the European immigrants came here for a better life and to get away from the problems they left. They assimilated and rejected the systems they left to make a better future for themselves and their children.

Our newest immigrants refuse to assimilate because they come here to work the system and have no respect for the ideals of the American dream. They reject the laws because they came here in defiance of the law and continue to have no respect for a nation that does not uphold their own laws.

[lawdude]

" Soon there will be no France, no Germany, no Italy, no
Austria, no Spain, no Denmark, no Belgium, no Netherlands, no Greece, no Ireland, no Great Britain.
Every country will be gone."

The problem is, these people cannot get along as separate entities never nams as a union!

[Tax-chick]

their misguided immigration policies, and leftist attitudes have already ensured their cultural demise.

You forgot their contraception and abortion. "Ethnic" Europeans of all nationalities run about 1.5 fertility rate, or less. Moslems run about 6.

Demographics is history!

[adx]

Europe as we have known it is disappearing. Soon there will be no France, no Germany, no Italy, no Austria, no Spain, no Denmark, no Belgium, no Netherlands, no Greece, no Ireland, no Great Britain. Every country will be gone. In their place will be the European UnionEurabia.

That's more like it.

[Tailgunner Joe]

"Ethnic" Europeans of all nationalities run about 1.5 fertility rate, or less. Moslems run about 6.

Sounds like the ratio of white Americans to hispanics.

[Tax-chick]

Yes, it does. I speak Spanish, do you? :-)

[Lessismore]

The key word is assimilated. Most of the European immigrants came here for a better life and to get away from the problems they left. They assimilated and rejected the systems they left to make a better future for themselves and their children.

The reason that they assimilated is that there are cultural similarities among the Europeans that cut across traditional national boundaries. In fact, those boundaries have not always been where they are currently. Germany and Italy were unified in the late 1900's. Austria-Hungary was broken up in 1918. The United Kingdom is a union of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Some ethnic groups like the Latvians and Estonians have usually not had nation states. Today, there are smaller ethnic groups in the Baltic area who do not have nation states.

Our newest immigrants refuse to assimilate because they come here to work the system and have no respect for the ideals of the American dream. They reject the laws because they came here in defiance of the law and continue to have no respect for a nation that does not uphold their own laws.

Europeans who come to the US still assimilate pretty well. The phenomena you cite mostly applies to immigrants from Latin America, and especially Mexicans in the southwest. Second generation Americans from most other areas are pretty fully assimilated unless they observe some weird religious orthodoxy.