Is Bush deaf to church doubts on Iraq war?

boston globe ^ | 12-9-02 | Jim Wallis

[Mudboy Slim]

"...most church leaders have concluded that in the current circumstances, it cannot - a war against Iraq would not be just."

This guy's spoutin' absolute Barbra Streisand...has he spoken with all the church leaders or does he have poll results proving his hypothesis?! Methinks not...this is just his personal rant and he realizes how weak his argument is, so he pretends to be speaking for "most church leaders"!!

Dethrone the Murderous Tyrant...NOW!!!

SHEEEESH...MUD

[freeper12]

>>the strong majority of Christian leaders opposing a war against Iraq.


Is this the same Christian leaders whom beleive raping altar boys and other children is OK?

Yea, we should defintely be taking advice from that group....

[Robe]

These "Christian Leaders" remind me of the minister in the movie "ZULU", A major
threat looms and his answer was to just pray for salvation from the hordes.
At one point the Sgt.Maj. says..." there ,there just be quite, sir, and don't upset the lads"
Good advice in these times..
ROBE

[ncpastor]

Sojourners is and always has been a leftist pro-Marxist publication and Jim Wallis among the most liberal leaning. He may point to Christian theology in this case, because it's handy, but more often than not Sojourner's concerns are politically motivated. If I wasted the time to get into an argument with him I might ask him for the Christian theology and Biblical commentary regarding abortion and homosexuality, both of which he obviously approves.

[lexington minuteman 1775]

There are three theological positions that can be taken on war from a Biblical perspective.

1.Just war theory, where our national security is at stake as in the case where we are attacked.

2.Biblical pacifism, based primarily on teachings of Jesus and Sermon on the Mount, followed by the three Historic Peace Churches, The Society of Friends (Quakers), Mennonites, and Church of the Brethren.Which states all war is sin.

3. Holy War theory, which was the position during the Crusades a millenium ago.It is about the same as the radical Muslim view of conversion by force and for the cause of God.

A point of view,although rather obscure might be applicible in the war on terror.D.Bonhoeffer was a Biblical pacifist who returned to Germany during World War Two and became involved in the plot to assassinate Alolph Hitler by blowing him up.He was arrested and executed by the Nazi's shortly before his camp was liberated by the Allies in 1945. The term is "The Teleological Suspension of the Ethical"Which basically means that someone such as a Sadaam is so evil that killing him is far better ethically than to let him continue to go on when perhaps millions of lives may be spared by ending his reign.Something that we might consider.

[lexington minuteman 1775]

BTTT

[Right_in_Virginia]

"...where are the liberal calls for "separation of church and state"?"

My question, exactly.

[trebb]

About the only time the leftists will embrace the Church is if they can find a few who agree with them (or who make statements that can be twisted to signify agreement)...

[Ol' Sparky]

Which church "leaders" would those be?