Yellowstone is Dying

http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/yellowstone_is_dying.htm ^ | June 1, 2002 | Robert Fanning, Jr.

[Dan Day]

"The program also revealed that other researchers, studying human genetics, had found evidence that humans came close to extinction between 70,000 and 80,000 years ago"

Assuming one believes in evolution...

Sigh. Try to learn something about a topic before you let your knee jerk against it.

Tracing genetic lineages is a separate field of study than evolution (although the results of such examinations do provide a huge amount of support for evolution).

You're welcome to look over their methodology and tell us what you think they did wrong:

Gagneux P, Wills C, Gerloff U, Tautz D, Morin PA, Boesch C, Fruth B, Hohmann G, Ryder O, and Woodruff DS. 1999. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 96: 5077-5082.

Or is simple genetics going to be the next topic on the "we can't teach that stuff in our schools" hit list because it produces results that creationists find awkward to explain?

[Dan Day]

One out of six called ahead and ordered a "vegan" diet which excludes any animal or fish product.

Am I the only one who finds ironic the concept of vegans supporting the introduction of carnivores?

[Delphinium]

I wonder where you are from? I know you are convinced that you know more about this then those who have lived here for 150 years, but you don't. Nobody cares more about the natural environment then the ranchers, farmers, loggers, and miners who live here. They want to leave it to there descendants. I am sure there are exceptions, but for the most part they know more, and care more. They live for the most part very modestly, while the rest of the country (who think they know it all) strives for more money, more cars, and bigger houses. Its not all about ranching. The meeting I went to the other night was put on by educated men. The speaker has a masters in wildlife biology.(from Notre Dame) If you read the article you will see that many wildlife biologists, including the project coordinator are very troubled by what is happening. Its not about saving wolves, its about money, and control. Its about rural cleansing. Its about gun control, it’s about earth worship, It’s about agenda 21. And unfortunately they found something to use that many so-called conservatives will fall for.

Another question? Do you think it was right to Introduce a species (canadian grey wolf, 150lbs) that was never here over one(rocky mountain wolf 80lbs) that was here? What is natural about that. Maybe we should try grizzlies in Arkansas, or Florida?

[Delphinium]

Am I the only one who finds ironic the concept of vegans supporting the introduction of carnivores?

You would have fun watching these people at these hearings. Trouble is there are so many of them??

[blackie]

I am interested, here is a link to what's going on out here:

Residents fearful of wolf threat to livestock.

[ctdonath2]

You're not paying attention; I've already addressed the species question.

[xsrdx]

Well, I don't know jack except that I think wolves have a legitimate place in North American wilderness. These articles have a pretty clear bias in favor of game species like Elk, Moose and Antelope - as if they are somehow more worthwhile than wolves.

I understand the threat to private property, and I certainly don't support any socialist effort to eliminate ranching.

My position is that delisting the wolf, allowing ranchers to handle problem animals, and perhaps even allowing a culling would go a long ways toward curing the problem.

I also question the "sky is falling" rhetoric coming from the anti-wolf crowd, as if an ecosystem that supported wolves for 5,000 years is suddenly going to hell because of their reintroduction. If we've learned anything from the gun control and abortion debates, it's that experts and statistics can be manipulated to whatever end is desired.

[Sentis]

You forget one thing about the Wolf question. Wolves and Humans have always (I restate ALWAYS) been competitors. Regardless if you believe in Evolution or not (and if evolution isn't God's own plan then there isn't a God in Heaven). Men and Wolves have competed for the same food sources since they both appeared as species. What this means to the Wolf question is we have reintroduced the wolf but we have not reintroduced the one predator that hunts wolves, Man. The "Noble Native American's" had no great love for the animal themselves and would kill him off their hunting grounds just as vigoruously as the "evil white man". Wolves have very large litters and because wolves share with man an intense parental drive their litters tend to survive unless men are around to control them.

[Rebelbase]

All the people bitching about the national ping are FR elitists.

[null and void]

Not only that, but panthers have been sighted, although the DNR keeps denying their existance. I'm waiting for for the first fisherman to get mauled by one of those non-existant panthers.

In California, they eat joggers...

[Republic of Texas]

Everything on Earth dies eventually. This in turn feeds new and different life. Sit Norm.

[Rebelbase]

What will the loss of the elk and deer herds do to the grizzly population in Yellowstone? Will this cause the bears to go after cattle also?......inquiring minds!....

[Delphinium]

thought so

[Red Jones]

The federal government has released wolves in 35-40 states. Even relatively densely populated states like North Carolina have received wolves from our friendly federal government.