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Lott Faces Continuing Resentment From Conservatives
Washington Post ^ | 12/14/2002 | Thomas B. Edsall and Dan Balz

Posted on 12/13/2002 10:07:29 PM PST by ArcLight

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To: ArcLight
Republicans, more than Democrats, are traditionally more reluctant to force leaders out of office.

Another boldface lie from the Washington Post. It was the GOP who told Nixon to resign, the Democrats defended the rapist Clinton to the bitter end.

Also, the Post's article mentions nothing about why Lott is really unpopular in Conservative ranks, because the Post cannot bring themselves to do it:
Lott allowed Clinton's Senate Impeachment vote to be a "show trial" with no witnesses called

41 posted on 12/14/2002 2:29:46 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Texasforever; Reagan Man
Lott said he supported Strom's segregationist party and that if the segregationist party had won the White House, we wouldn't have had all the "troubles" we've had.

There is nothing unclear about his statement. That's why the media have been quoting him directly, over and over. It's also why his apology falls flat.

42 posted on 12/14/2002 2:41:54 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: vikzilla
Its unfortunate as hell right now, but sometimes life hands you a lemon.

And Lott made lemonade yesterday!

I'm *liking* it.

43 posted on 12/14/2002 2:53:53 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: vikzilla
What you and other Lott bashers fail to realize is that this fight is not just about his remarks, it's about everything we believe in. Nobody really believes Lott is a segregationist, he just said something stupid as usual. The left is already bringing up affirmative action, minimum wage, the 10th ammendment, Lott's vote against Judge Roger Gregory (of course it was OK to vote against Clarence Thomas), and numerous other positions we believe in. The race baiters are using Lott's remarks to taint him as a racist along with mainstream comservative values. Posters like yourself, Huck, etc., are falling into the trap.

The double standard here is mindbogling. How many times have we heard from the left that it is not up to us to pick their leaders? Many of us wanted Lott to go a long time ago but it is up to the Republican Senate, not the media or Sharpton or Jackson.

They are using this to paint us all as racists, especially those of us who live in the south. We must stop being so sensitive to this charge. Lott said a stupid thing because he does not view things in terms of race like the race baiters of this world do. I'm sure it's been a long time since he even thought of Thurmond's past views. Strom is a long time collegue of Lott's who he agrees with and admires. He was not even thinking of his past positions on race.

I'm sick of the Republicans eating our own!!! The Rats never do!!! I understand that we are better then that and if I thought for a second that Lott was a racist I'd want him out to. If he steps down now it's like giving in to terrorists. They will just demand more and more!!!

44 posted on 12/14/2002 2:57:26 AM PST by SoCar
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To: Bonaparte
You're reading the wrong newspapers. Lott's original, in context comments to and about Sen. Thurmond had absolutely nothing whatsoever in any way, shape, or form, any way you slice it, dice it, or dissect it, to do with segregation. The Dem Destructo Machine/Big Media Spin made it *seem* so. You have been a victim of their poison. We have the antidote for that. It's called Truth. Learn it, love it, live it.
45 posted on 12/14/2002 3:00:32 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: Bonaparte
There is nothing unclear about his statement. That's why the media have been quoting him directly, over and over. It's also why his apology falls flat.

So help me understand here. An all black Fraternity is cool, Black Miss America is cool, United Negro College Fund is just spiffy, but if anyone white would ever prefer to affiliate with whites only, then that is the equivalent of a hate crime. I consider myself colorblind in most regards when dealing with people, but the political correctness I see on these boards is incredible.

46 posted on 12/14/2002 3:11:40 AM PST by doosee
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To: Reagan Man; Texasforever
Seems to me that those calling for Lott's head are showing the same character traits they are attempting to paint on him. Call out the thought police, it matters not to them what Lott actually said but what he "meant". I put these vultures in the same group as I put Lott himself. Too spineless to stand up and fight an assault that should have been expected from the race baiters. If not Lott, then it would have been someone else. Let's just have all the conservative leaders walking around on eggshells less they slip and say something that can be used against them. I am disappointed in Lott, President Bush and all the Lott lynchers here on FR. Lott needs to step down for his lack of conservative leadership but not on the left's timetable and not when false accusations are flying. The saddest thing about this is just where was a strong Republican voice to stand up and say "this is silly and a waste of time. There are real problems to be solved not some imagined wrong doing. Our energies should be directed toward the problems, not playing out some sort of soap opera."

47 posted on 12/14/2002 5:10:50 AM PST by Kangaroo Court
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To: Reagan Man
Those on the left have done a magnificent job in the last week of scaring the hell out of conservatives and Republicans alike. This unfortunate episode has shown how thin skinned many on the right really are.

I respectfully disagree with your post. Check my FR start date, and then read on....

When I heard what Trent Lott said _I_ was offended. Legally enforced segregation is in direct conflict with everything that I believe--which is that all individuals should be treated equally under the law. That is why I oppose Affirmative Action, quotas, etc.

So here is Lott defending a political party whose primary reason for existence was to maintain the status quo of legally enforced segregation and racial preferences. Oh, and by the way, this is the same Trent Lott who has failed to eliminate thousands of Federal laws, rules, and regualations which today enforce racial preferences _against_ white poeople.

The man just dosen't get it.

Do you?
48 posted on 12/14/2002 5:31:32 AM PST by cgbg
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To: Huck
The Dixiecrats - Would We Have Been Better Off Had Thurmond Won in 1948?
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/805932/posts?q=1&&page=81


The Dixecrats were arguably more constitutionalist than the Republocrats. -- See Rothbard, above.
49 posted on 12/14/2002 9:23:05 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Reagan Man
RM,

It would appear there are a lot of conservatives who are running away from being labeled segregationists and racists by the liberal establishment. Those on the left have done a magnificent job in the last week of scaring the hell out of conservatives and Republicans alike.

This unfortunate episode has shown how thin skinned many on the right really are. Weak kneed conservatives and spineless Republicans have chosen to condemn Trent Lott and kowtow to leftwing class warfare and special intetests. They'd rather, turn tail and run from the race baiting and double standards promoted by the in your face, politically correct liberal left. And behind it all, are the black liberal elites, led by their very own hypocritical leadership.

Maybe that's becaue Lott really is a thinly veiled segregationist.

Maybe that's because some of us conservatives don't feel like wasting valuable political and moral capital defending a guy who's spent most of his adult life pining for a return to the worst features of Old Dixie.

Maybe that's because some of us don't feel like wasting political capital defending a logrolling porkmeister who has repeatedly demonstrated his spinelessness in confrontations (if one can call them that) with Senate Democrats.

Maybe that's because some of us remember Trent's Profile in Courage when it came time to give a fair hearing to impeachment charges against x42.

Scaring us wasn't necessary. Lott was hoist by us - and by his own petard.

He's gotta go - and be replaced with a leader with moral fiber and and vertebrate characteristics.

50 posted on 12/14/2002 11:10:48 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: Kangaroo Court
A Warning to Conservatives:

I think there is a real danger here for conservatives, and some have unfortunately fallen into the trap.

We all know by know how the Washington Gaffe Go-Round works: Somebody says something they oughtn't, and the wolves come to feed. After a while those watching the banquet rather than dining at it tend to take it all with a grain of salt. That's an instinct which I confess I subscribe to myself, just as many of us do, particularly when the Victim of the Day is someone on your side of the fence. And in this case guys like Sharpton and Jackson have cheapened their moral outrage to the point where it's a valueless currency. They get upset when the sun sets; it must be a white Republican conspiracy. Time to organize a march.

But there's another chestnut of Beltway Wisdom, to wit: a "gaffe" is defined as a politician caught in the act of accidentally telling the truth. And in this case it's a troubling one when you actually look at what Lott said - especially when you learn it's not the first time he's said it. As a dyed-in-the-wool conservative I think it a serious mistake to simply dismiss this, as Ilcards has suggested, as Trent Lott trying to say something nice about ol' Strom at his birthday party and making a slip of the tongue. You cannot fairly look at what Trent said and simply dismiss it so quickly.

Thurmond's 1948 presidential campaign was not a dime store third party run. He and his supporters bolted the Democratic convention over one issue only: that of race relations. It wasn't about limited government or low taxes or other longtime conservative staples. It was solely about something that the American mainstream now rightly regards as ugly and evil, and rightly so.

There are two escape hatches available for those who go on record defending the indefensible, and neither one is available to Trent Lott. Firstly: that of ignorance. Lott grew up in Mississippi and knows full well what the Dixicrats are about, and his sin is compounded by his long and dubious personal history - his longtime political mentor Congressmen Colmar was a die-hard segregationist and Dixiecrat, and Lott himself made an almost identical public statement in 1980, to say nothing of his long association with the white supremacist-tinged Council of Conservative Citizens, or other troubling episodes in his past documented by black conservative columnist Robert George. Secondly: that of age. Older politicos of a certain age (like Wallace or Thurmond) or given some latitude for overcoming their segregationist past if they make sufficient amends for it and renunciation of it. Lott however is too young to get such a pass; born in 1941 he's of the generation commonly identified with the New South, not the Old. And he most certainly continues to make troubling statements, while even Thurmond has not done so for decades.

This isn't to tingle out Kangaroo, no doubt a fine poster and conservative sans peur. I've seen conservative talking heads like Mark Levin and Sean Hannity take a similar tack over the last week and frankly I have been a little disappointed. "Yes, but" they'll say, spending most of their energy and time pointing out the hypocrisy of many on the Left and the double standard that exists. I think this insufficient as a response on our part. It's well and good to point out the inconsistency of those on the Left but we shouldn't lose sight of just exactly what Lott has said and done and why it should be and is profoundly troubling to us - to say nothing of the real damage it may do to the moral standing and political prospects of the movement and the party.

I can't say whether Lott is a racist. I'd like to think not. I do think he has - at best - a real blind spot and a disturbing lack of judgment when it comes to race relations and I think it makes him a poor party leader. His failure to issue an immediate and sincere apology (only doing so once the baying reached a crescendo) makes clear that he really doesn't "get it." And I think conservatives ought to admit as much, as much as it pains us to give a scalp to the baying wolves of the Racial Huckster Crowd.

Let's point out the foibles of the Left in all this. But let's also recognize what Lott has done for what it is and urge him to do the right thing and step down from his leadership position.

It's not political correctness to do so. It's just the right thing to do.

Unlike liberals, we actually have standards. It's time we upheld them.

51 posted on 12/14/2002 11:18:56 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: The Iguana
May be you don't get it.

Correction. You don't get it.

52 posted on 12/14/2002 1:01:01 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
LOL...
53 posted on 12/14/2002 1:08:01 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: Huck
Niger Innis is a party defender Huck?

Btw....I hate having to defend Lott....I despise him....but I despise his foes more.
54 posted on 12/14/2002 1:10:38 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: goldstategop
Conservatives are the wrecking ball to his half assed and inept leadership in Washington, D.C.

Yeah, if ol' boy can take a hint, that is...

I can see what other folks are saying, about buckling to all the liberal yapping that has ensued... Time to call a spade a spade, though. And frankly, if we conservs were going to stand up against 'em, I'd rather have someone a helluvalot better than Trent "Bend-me-over" Lott to fight over...

What I'm trying to say is, the GOP should pick its battles. Not that we have been anyway, but Trent ain't it. This is just icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned, and I, for one, will be one happy conservative if he lets the door hit him where the Good Lord split him...

55 posted on 12/14/2002 1:18:56 PM PST by maxwell
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To: inkling
"Lott continues his long, storied career of making a mockery of conservatism and the party of Lincoln. He would rather hand the Senate over to the Democrats -- during a time of war no less -- than simply swallow his pride. He must go."

Well said! And Lott has stooped to blackmail. I don't know how anyone can defend that???

56 posted on 12/14/2002 1:22:09 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Texasforever; Reagan Man
Bump to both of you. I've been hunting for 3 days and thankfully have missed most of this much ado about nothing.

Seems FR is as full of the self righteous scampering to show the world how racially enlightened they are as a damned DNC rally.

Hell, I think we all dislike Lott's willy nilly ways here but do we really want to cave to the PC monster over this one.....and trust me ....if he goes under this barrage...he will resign from the Senate, not just as ML and then we are back to waiting for more RINOs to jump ship.

This is a damned FUBAR deal and yep he stuck his foot in his mouth but damn....we can't just roll over on this...not now...even if it does make more than a few of us feel all warmy and fuzzy about having "good intentions".

I'd be elated to have another ML than Lott but not under this duress.

Mark my words. All you noble FReepers heaping it on Lott today are not going to bring any more blacks into the Pubbies by your noble intent. There is zippo trend towards any significant increase of blacks into Pubbie ranks unless the Pubbies are willing to become Dems.....ain't gonna happen. Young Jews are indeed thankfully coming our way in increasing numbers but blacks are not. There is no political capital to be gained from crucifying Lott for our side....none.

We would do best to make a stand and sometime down the road usher him out in a face saving move......after my home state has replaced Musgrove with a Pubbie which is likely to be Haley Barbour (unless they can find some un-PC utterance by him 20 years ago...lol)

This is a fool's game and I'm suprised so many here and at the national level on our "side" are falling for it.
57 posted on 12/14/2002 1:33:01 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: maxwell
You'll be happy with a 50-50 senate?
58 posted on 12/14/2002 1:35:35 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
You'll be happy with a 50-50 senate?

Well NO. I don't want him to take his marbles and go home altogether. (Didn't I read about him threatening to pack up his tighty whities and shake the Capitol Hill dust from his loafers entirely if the GOP made him step down...)

I've just been impatient for new leadership, that's all...

59 posted on 12/14/2002 1:39:19 PM PST by maxwell
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To: The Iguana
If Lott leaves as ML now totally humiliated....do you really think he'll simply stay on as a Senator? Would anyone sans Bill or Hillary Clinton?

Hardly....and Musgrove will appoint a Dem....and probably a really nasty one at that.

This is indeed war my friend and you are picking the wrong time to fall on your sword.

I have disliked Lott as not being conservative enough for years but to throw him to the wolves now is foolishness.

Now if Kennedy leaves his seat for killing Mary Joe, KKK Byrd leaves, Hillary leaves for her MFJB comment, and the CBC disbands since it is by default a racist organ then I'll reconsider.

Folks need to get some spine over all this race guilt garbage....it's killing us and our culture ....hell, our culture is about flatlined already over it.
60 posted on 12/14/2002 1:42:26 PM PST by wardaddy
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