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To: muawiyah; Naked Lunch
Do you mean "destroyed" as in killed or destroyed as in "titles abolished"?

My belief that the 2 peoples are genetically very close is based on DNA analysis by a Stanford professor. I also read somewhere that the Japanese have about 30% of their gene pool that is directly attributable to Korean immigration. The idea that there was a heavy Shan Dynasty influence on either Korea or Japan strikes me as unlikely. The aboriginal peoples were Mongol/Tungusic types, like the Manchus and Mongols. (Look at paintings of the ancient Mongols--they look very Japanese.) Some have speculated that the ancient Koguryo language was very similar to Old Japanese. In fact, vocabulary is just where the 2 languages share less than might be expected. The Japanese vocab has a lot of Polynesian substrate in it, and only 30% of modern Korean is truly native. The 2 are very close grammatically though, and Japanese/Korean grammatical studies is a subfield unto itself, of which my old professor Kuno (also of Harvard) was a pioneer.
18 posted on 12/19/2002 5:08:39 PM PST by maro
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To: maro
The class was destroyed and many individuals were just flat out killed or forced into exile. Still, sometimes you can still run into one of the Yi family. Like the Shogun's people, many Yi cousins ended up in the US.

The Japanese language is simply a creole, as is English, as is Korean. Still, Korean is very clearly in the Uralic-Altaic group. Koreans can learn to communicate with Mongol people in Ulan Bator very quickly, as did the neighbor girl several years back when she founded the first Christian church to ever achieve government official recognition in Mongolia. She's fluent in Mongol and considered a very serious expert in Korean.

Japanese language differences are sufficient that I don't think anybody tries to categorize it as Uralic-Altaic anymore.

The Polynesian substrate is known, but it's reasons for being in Japan are not always obvious - unless, of course, you know lots of folks that look like the ancient Jomon pottery and who develop keloid scars!

Regarding the Shan, when Shan fell so did Mohenjo-Daro, Sumer, Syria, etc. Everything to the East of Egypt "fell" in some sort of natural calamity. Within a century there were Shan settlements on the Korean peninsula. Within another century there were signs that the Shan had made it to Japan. I don't think they planted an enduring civilization in Japan, but FUR SHUR they were there early enough to impress their genes on the original population. (It's probably easier to find the descendants of the Shan that it is to find the descendants of the 5 trade cities that were linked to the Silk Road culture.)

19 posted on 12/19/2002 5:25:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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