Debate - Should We Track All Vehicles?

Self | 12-15-02 | doosee

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Even more, Doosee is a holder of a concealed weapons permit. He must be tracked because there is no telling what kind of trouble he's going to get into with a firearm.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

They already have this system! What do you mean only the government could do this? You are bordering on being idiotic.

[Karsus]

Do you trust the goverment to have a record of every place you go? What do you suggest happen when the information is abused?

[doosee]

Having the government monitor where and when my car has travelled (presumably with me in it) is not much different from outfitting the general populace with a tracking braclet or tracking collar.

You are jumping to conclusions that I didnt make. I don't envision a system where a government bureaucrat sits in a command center, and says, let's see where pyx is at now. On the contrary, a specific request (i.e. a family or authorized law enforcement officer) would have to be documented, just like a 911 call. I think provisions could be made whereby personal abuse of this is punishable. Try calling 911 for fun a few times and see what happens to you.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

The worse is that this clown is a holder of a CWP!

[pyx]

We simply must at some point realize that times have changed and security must be increased.

You have no Right enumerated in the Constitution to police protection. Your protection is your responsibility. Its beyond obscene to trade freedom for the illusion of security. Advocating the enslavement of your fellow man because you want to feel better is immoral.
Read some accurate historical accounts of life while travelling in America in the late 19th century. Wishing for a cop on every street corner, is not what made America great.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

A cost/benefit analysis? You certainly took your MBA courses seriously, didn't you? The benefits may be easy to measure...the costs aren't. Think of intangibles and how difficult they are to measure.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

"We" simply must...

The whole point is that the rest of "us" don't want you to include us in your little pea brained programs. If you think this is a great idea, put your MBA to work and start a competitor company to go against on star and lo jack.

[steve50]

There are private firms that will sell you a panic button system and moniter it for a service fee, what's wrong with the free market approach other than it's voluntary nature?

Do you support the last idea they floated on us, giving everyone a "beeper" to keep track of us, of course it would be mandatory to carry it at all times.

[doosee]

They already have this system! What do you mean only the government could do this? You are bordering on being idiotic.

I've been called worse. If "they" already have this system, why couldn't "they" find the snipers vehicle for quite a long time even after they identified it? A system like this will not work nearly as effectively in a partial implementation.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

"It is interesting to see comments from cowboy types who assume that just because government has information they will misuse it."

Uhm, there are plenty of examples in world history, and in our country of the government abusing its power. Perhaps that's why our founding fathers had the sense to limit the power of government?

[strela]

We can find a missile launcher in Iraq from a satellite and view a terrorist's face from that same image. Yet, when someone is carjacked, or a car is simply stolen, or someone is abducted, our law enforcement mechanisms remain what they were since cars were invented.

Hogwash. There's LoJack and Onstar available for those willing to pay for it, and many commercial carriers use satellite tracking now (presumably in an attempt to foil load hijacking).

A unique RF transmitter embedded and locked in a very unreachable place within a car would also be a possible solution. These technologies exist today yet I am unaware of any proposal to deploy this kind of solution to make all of us safer.

This might be true because some of us don't believe it is any of the government's business to keep track of us 24 hours a day.

I would like to hear Freepers weigh in on whether this would constitute an invasion of privacy if our vehicles could be located any place at any time in real time mode or do you agree that this would be a proper use of high technology to help to ensure our safety?

If you want and can afford systems like LoJack, Digital Angel, or Onstar, then go out and buy them then use them in peace. Otherwise, when I choose to drive down to the corner store to pick up a gallon of milk is none of your business. Force me to carry a transponder in my vehicle, and I will devote every waking moment to defeating and/or spoofing it, as well as voting out the idiot politicians who sponsored the legislation mandating such a freedom-killing system. That's a promise.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

FYI, I am not a anti-government, police hater. I simply don't want a nanny state. There are real dangers in allowing others in power into your business.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

If you are talking about our vulnerability from common criminals...it hasn't really changed in the last ten years. People have been abducting and killing for a long time. Unfortunately, this is nothing new.

[strela]

Do us all a favor and stay off the thread.

Back in Post 1, you said Your comments and feedback, pro or con, are solicited. And now you're ordering another poster who said something you disagree with to get off the thread?

Your bias is showing.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Let me ask you a serious question. Why not require everyone to have a computer chip implanted in there bodies? Afterall, the technology is most certainly there for this. And, even better is that almost every crime will be solved because everyone can be tracked. Would you be for this? This most certainly would have caught the snipers, even if they had changed cars (which would have foiled your car tracking system)

[thepitts]

doosee?....maybe cantsee or wontsee or dontsee...

[doosee]

You asked for opinions and now dissenters to your idea get painted with a broad brush of inconsiderate labels? Not wise... do you wish you could retract that?

No, I am not thin skinned. I would rather the posters stick to the subject at hand rather than attacking me personally. I cannot believe the number of personal comments about me here because I raised what I think is a valid subject to debate.

[GirlShortstop]

We simply must at some point realize that times have changed and security must be increased.             Thanks for a voice of reason out there.

Post 30   Let's face it.... life's dangerous; always has been, always will be.

One question Doosee:  why did you choose a title of "Debate - Should We Track **All** Vehicles..."?  Why didn't you ask whether LOJACK is a good business venture?

[steve50]

The next goal is to reduce opposition to the implanted chip, expect to see alot of these ideas floated/spun for us in the near future. Coming from supposedly conservative, Constitution supporters is a bit of a shock tho.