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German business leaders warn of crisis (HOLD MEIN BIER, GOTTERDAMMERUNG)
The Financial Times ^ | December 16, 2002 | Haig Simonian

Posted on 12/15/2002 3:51:20 PM PST by MadIvan

The leaders of some of Germany's biggest companies believe their country faces its worst crisis since the war amid deep scepticism about the ability of the government to solve Germany's problems.

Their anger comes as the government of chancellor Gerhard Schröder this week prepares to unveil a unitary 25 per cent savings tax and an amnesty to encourage the repatriation of undeclared savings abroad.

Business leaders, surveyed by the Financial Times and FT Deutschland, its sister paper, fear that rises in taxation and non-wage labour costs imposed by Mr Schröder since his re-election in September will stifle already weak growth.

"Along with the majority of German citizens, I am shocked by the present conceptionless government," said Herbert Hainer, chairman of the Adidas sportswear group.

"Even with the best of intentions, one cannot identify any strategy in the government's plans which could make our country fit for the challenges of the future. Nobody has a clue in this overall chaos."

The business chiefs are also angry about constant changes in tax policy and the government's inability to tackle long-standing structural problems, such as a rule-bound labour market, overstretched pensions scheme and a healthcare system nearing financial collapse.

"Not since the end of the war have conditions been as bad as today," said Alexander von Tippelskirch, head of the IKB Deutsche Industriebank, a business lender.

The problem was also highlighted by Ulrich Schumacher, chief executive of Infineon, who told the Financial Times that the Munich-based semiconductor group would consider moving its headquarters out of the country because German taxation rates, often double those paid by competitors, were placing a dangerous burden on the company.

The results came from a survey of Germany's 100 biggest quoted groups. Respondents included the heads of Bayer and BASF in chemicals, Volkswagen in motors and HVB Group in banking.

The planned savings-tax scheme follows intense wrangling in Mr Schröder's ruling Social Democratic party about ways to plug big gaps in federal and state governments' budgets.

The new moves would come a week after European Union finance ministers failed to agree on a joint approach on taxing savings to curb tax evasion.

A single 25 per cent tax rate on savings would appeal to higher-rate taxpayers who are taxed at source at 30 per cent and then subjected to additional tax at top marginal rates of up to 48.5 per cent.

Differences over tax culminated last week in public clashes between the chancellor and Sigmar Gabriel, the premier of Lower Saxony. Mr Gabriel, a potential successor to Mr Schröder, has demanded the reintroduction of the wealth tax, abolished in 1997, to finance extra education spending.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: collapse; fischer; greens; schroeder; spd
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I hope President Bush gets the FT; it's worth a chuckle to him. And a well deserved one at Schroeder's expense. ;)

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 12/15/2002 3:51:20 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Delmarksman; Sparta; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; TopQuark; TexKat; Iowa Granny; vbmoneyspender; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 12/15/2002 3:51:34 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Don't expect the socialists to learn from the effects of overtaxation...their solution usually involves them complaining that it is not fair to their governments that all other governments do not enact such confiscatory tax measures.

These socilalists just don't get it. My question is: When the hell are the majority of Europeans going to wake up and see socialism for the unworkable fraud that it is?
3 posted on 12/15/2002 3:56:03 PM PST by Constitutional Patriot
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To: Constitutional Patriot
When the hell are the majority of Europeans going to wake up and see socialism for the unworkable fraud that it is?

To be honest, I think a lot more of the average citizens recognise it than the people in the political establishment do. There are very few European countries where you have a major political party threatening the cozy socialist consensus.

Regards, Ivan

4 posted on 12/15/2002 3:58:09 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
German taxation rates, often double those paid by competitors, were placing a dangerous burden on the company.

Meine Herren, you must pay zee taxes so zee millions uff nice Turkish immigrants on velfare vill be hoppy.

5 posted on 12/15/2002 3:59:17 PM PST by wotan
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To: MadIvan
It would appear that the easterners still like their socialism. Cradle to greve....thats the ticket.!
6 posted on 12/15/2002 4:02:22 PM PST by bert
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To: MadIvan
The inventors of socialism are really proving that ideology is a failure.

BTW: What does GOTTERDAMMERUNG mean?
7 posted on 12/15/2002 4:09:34 PM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta
Gotterdammerung is the name of the final opera in Wagner's Ring Cycle - it means the "Twilight of the Gods".

In this case, it's the Twilight of a Bumbler Who Thinks He's God. ;)

Regards, Ivan

8 posted on 12/15/2002 4:11:30 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: bert
Cradle to greve....thats the ticket.!

At the rate they're going, the average time interval between these events in Germany is about to get a lot shorter, very soon.

9 posted on 12/15/2002 4:32:02 PM PST by Imal
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To: MadIvan
Their problem is that they are waiting for their government to "solve" their problems.

In fact government is usually the problem.

10 posted on 12/15/2002 4:32:50 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Constitutional Patriot
These socilalists just don't get it. My question is: When the hell are the majority of Europeans going to wake up and see socialism for the unworkable fraud that it is

Probably because many are benefitting from socialism. (Getting someone else's money)

As the saying goes: When you rob Peter to pay Paul you can always count on Paul's support. - Tom

11 posted on 12/15/2002 4:33:32 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: BenLurkin
In fact government is usually the problem

Ronald Reagan said it first.

Regards, Ivan

12 posted on 12/15/2002 4:34:32 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
The new moves would come a week after European Union finance ministers failed to agree on a joint approach on taxing savings to curb tax evasion.

I don't suppose they realized that taxing savings encourages people to stuff mattresses instead of depositing money in banks. Not too many banks offer enough interest on savings to offset 25% in tax losses!

In light of the apparent widespread enactment of this extremely myopic tax strategy, the rise in gold prices makes a lot more sense.

13 posted on 12/15/2002 4:37:20 PM PST by Imal
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I don't suppose they realized that taxing savings encourages people to stuff mattresses instead of depositing money in banks.

Or send it to offshore banks like in the Channel Islands or Switzerland.

Regards, Ivan

14 posted on 12/15/2002 4:39:25 PM PST by MadIvan
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BTW: What does GOTTERDAMMERUNG mean?

"Twilight of the Gods", if I'm not mistaken.

Götterdämmerung is the last of the four operas that comprise The Ring of the Nibelung, by Richard Wagner.

I believe Mr. the Terrible is enjoying a bit of a play on words. ;^)

15 posted on 12/15/2002 4:41:43 PM PST by Imal
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To: MadIvan
Or send it to offshore banks like in the Channel Islands or Switzerland.

Or just spend it on "bier, schnapps und zigaretten", and lapse into depression and despair.

16 posted on 12/15/2002 4:44:28 PM PST by Imal
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To: Constitutional Patriot
Of course overtaxation and socialist policies are playing a huge role in their economic diversity. Yet for years, they have attempted to bankroll these programs with the taxes of too few.
There was an article published some time last year, describing how Germany and other Euorpean nations under the newly adopted EU regulations, would have to begin a serious effort at enforcing their tax laws. The article went on to state how shocked Germans going over the border into Austria were at the questioning of how much money they were transporting.
It is in part, this new enforcement of their tax laws that is having a real effect on their economy, particularly when the former scoflaws do not have as much to spend.
A couple of years ago my cousin who lives in germany asked me if it was true that people would be prosecuted in the US for not paying their taxes accurately. She found this astounding since veryone she knew cheated a bit. I know quite a few germans (in my family, no less) that were doing a lot more than cheating "a bit".
Now that they learn the real cost of their programs, austerity will take on an entirely fresh meaning.
17 posted on 12/15/2002 4:44:37 PM PST by Katya
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To: MadIvan
Socialists have an economic death wish.

The world simply contains too much reality for them. A serious crimp on their utopian desires.

18 posted on 12/15/2002 4:48:17 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: MadIvan
Malaise Bump.

Mr. Catah, Mr. Jimmuh Catah, please pick up a white courtesy phone...

Oh, and BTW, Germany's latest outrage on the WOT front:

Report: second suspect in Tunisian synagogue attack has left Germany

19 posted on 12/15/2002 4:50:28 PM PST by Stultis
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Meine Herren, you must pay zee taxes so zee millions uff nice Turkish immigrants on velfare vill be hoppy.

Turkish immigrants? What about the millions of Russian-Germans the country has taken in since the collapse of the former Soviet Union? Not to mention the millions more who are still in the former Soviet Union who are being subsidized by the Germans?
20 posted on 12/15/2002 4:57:56 PM PST by RepublicanHippy
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