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Go to the USC. How else do you propose we determine those rights held by the people, or the states respectively?

The constitution does not grant rights. Some of them are enumerated there. I know I have told you this before. And the constitution recognises that fact in the ninth amendment.

Rights come from God. (or just exist naturally for people who can't concieve of God) Anything that doesn't violate rights of others, is a right. And as Seth said: "Some things are true even if you don't believe them." You choose not to believe, but it doesn't matter.

You are confused (as usual) about rights and powers, and now are trying to change the subject to a discussion of the division of powers between the states and the federal government. It won't wash.

[Texaggie] - "You are confused (as usual) about rights and powers, and now are trying to change the subject to a discussion of the division of powers between the states and the federal government. It won't wash. - TJ -

Tex is ALLways 'confused' about something. -- I believe the only time I've seen him answer a question candidly, was here quite some time ago during one of his anti-libertarian rants. I forget who asked him:

Why are you consistantly trying to challenge our beliefs {tex}?

"Several reasons. First (and I'm surprised you haven't figured this out yet) I like to argue. It's no fun to go from thread to thread agreeing on everything."

"Second, I myself lean libertarian on many aspects. I support the Republican Liberty Caucus and I think libertarianism could be so great if not for the massive push within it's ranks to force immorality on America (drugs, prostitution, and abortion)."

"It just saddens me that just great potential is ruined. I think the libertarian movement would be so much larger if Libertarians would recognize that STATE drug laws are wise."
62 posted on 2/12/02 10:06 PM Pacific by Texaggie79

The constitution does not grant rights. Some of them are enumerated there.

I agree.

I want you to tell me EXACTLY what this means:

".....are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Tell me where we can find those rights. Tell me how we determine them.

Sure, you can state That which does not violate another's rights is a right, however that creates a conundrum. You must FIRST, establish what those rights are before you can go adding in the qualifier of "whatever doesn't violate a right is a right."