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1 posted on 12/17/2002 9:24:10 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78; Naked Lunch
bump
2 posted on 12/17/2002 9:29:38 PM PST by maro
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To: Pokey78
I like Steele, but he's taking a shot at Goldwater here. And without Goldwater, there wouldn't have been a Reagan or what followed. It's so very easy to be passing judgment like this, and so very wrong. Many of our civil rights laws have been perverted, as Goldwater and others predicted. Shutting down girls-only schools, shutting down boys wrestling because there's not an equal girl wrestling program (due to the lack of interest by girls), granting federal contracts based partly on race, granting admission to colleges based partly on race, forcing corporations to adopt affirmative action (i.e., reverse discrimination) policies in hiring and promotion, and the list goes on and on, are some of the abuses. So, these laws have serious weakneses, as well as strengths. The picture is much more mixed that Steele and others suggest.
3 posted on 12/17/2002 9:31:40 PM PST by holdonnow
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To: Pokey78
I'm sorry Lotts got to go.
Why? He's an idiot. Lets see, you are a leader of a political party that has a problem getting minorities to vote for your party, You are at a party for a guy who at onetime headed a party pushing segergation, There are lots of media around, and you make a positive statement about the dixiecrats! IDIOT!!
4 posted on 12/17/2002 9:54:02 PM PST by Valin
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To: Pokey78; Just another Joe; Dudoight; Dutchgirl; airborne; jlogajan; TonyRo76; laotzu; MoralSense; ..
Here is the third in the series on American Conservatism.

If you would like on or off this bump list, let me know.

Here are links to the first two pieces:

A Question of Temperament [What makes one a conservative?] First of a Series

To Preserve What We Have- American Conservatism - WSJ article by Bill Buckley

6 posted on 12/18/2002 3:57:02 AM PST by TroutStalker
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To: Pokey78; BuddhaBoy; GraniteStateConservative; Howlin; TLBSHOW; Texasforever; mhking; ...
Ping. Absolutely the best article I've seen written on this debacle so far.

Would love to hear any pro or con critiques of it from those who've been in the trenches on this for the past couple of weeks.

8 posted on 12/18/2002 9:12:12 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: Pokey78
That such a thought--segregation as a deliverance from "all these problems over all these years"--was rambling around in his head under the category of humor was clearly chilling. ...

They asked for language, so I gave them what I wanted to hear: "I loathe segregation and racism with everything in me. This loathing is, for me, the starting point of human decency." "He won't do all this," one of them said. "Then he should go down," I said. ...

The senator's many apologies--perhaps more than his original gaffe--have revealed him to be a man who has troubled himself very little with self-examination where race is concerned. And now, in racial crisis, he has no inner anchoring to call on. ...

But the slow march of conservative principles back to mainstream respectability is still so fragile that conservatives themselves must be absolutely innocent of racism. Anything less than this will count as virulent racism and be held against the principles themselves. And if you have associated with Bob Jones University, despite its ban on interracial dating, your racial innocence is a long way from absolute. ...

Conservatives in the civil rights era failed to see themselves in the Negro, failed to imagine themselves into his plight. Had they imagined themselves there, they would have made themselves the measure of the rights blacks should receive. But conservative principles, entrepreneurial in so many ways, lost this opportunity to a lack of imagination. ...

9 posted on 12/18/2002 9:20:46 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: Pokey78
What is most telling in the article is that Trent Lott cannot look within himself to come up with the right words to say; he had to have staffers go to a black conservative to get the right words -- borrowed words, not words of personal conviction. THEN, when the right words were given, the staffers said Lott could not utter them. This shows how utterly clueless Trent Lott is. He needs to go, and quickly.
10 posted on 12/18/2002 10:27:09 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Black conservative ping

If you want on (or off) of my black conservative ping list, please let me know via FREEPmail. (And no, you don't have to be black to be on the list!)

Extra warning: this is a high-volume ping list.

11 posted on 12/18/2002 12:22:43 PM PST by mhking
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To: Pokey78
Steele is a good writer. Style and substance; he does not quiver. Thanks for the post.
12 posted on 12/18/2002 12:27:44 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Pokey78
But in the end a man cannot be redeemed by a moral equivalence.

Bump for the truth.

17 posted on 12/18/2002 1:03:47 PM PST by Wordsmith
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To: Pokey78
WOW!!!

Great stuff!
21 posted on 12/18/2002 3:37:35 PM PST by FreedomFlyer
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To: Pokey78
In both cases it was a failure of what might be called a democratic imagination.

Steele does not seem to realize that conservatism has never been a worshiper of "democracy" and the Founders feared it and tried to prevent this country from ever becoming a democracy.

The Neo-cons who get most of the media attention in the name of conservatism are big fans of democracy. Democracy is not the friend of freedom historically and the conservatives who failed to support every aspect of every Civil Rights Bill, Goldwater opposed the '64 Bill, supported the goals but not the means because of the extension of central power that they suspected would follow. In my estimation, Goldwater was right.

It's interesting to consider the following in the ongoing discussion of the 1948 American Society and the election of that year. In '48, segregation was Ok in some states, but abortion, illegitamacy, divorce, premarital cohabitation were wrong to just about everyone, everywhere. Now segregation is gone, which is a good thing, but look at all the rot that no politician dares to condemn.

BTW, I worked in Goldwater's campaign but couldn't vote yet. And I'm proud of it. If the country had followed my lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over the last 38 years.

Regards.

23 posted on 12/18/2002 4:58:31 PM PST by The Irishman
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Shelby Steele Bump... Go Spartans
24 posted on 12/18/2002 5:56:55 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: Pokey78
The senator's many apologies--perhaps more than his original gaffe--have revealed him to be a man who has troubled himself very little with self-examination where race is concerned.

I stopped here because I'm TIRED of blacks demanding that whites spend their lives sitting around and examining their psyches for traces of racism. I'm actually growing MORE racist the more I feel like blacks are smugly squirming with the delight of the moral superiority they are obviously convinced they have a corner market on. To heck with them. I think I'm just going to go ahead and accept being a racist, because the kind of groveling butt-kisser you have to be in order to convince them that you are a good little whitey is just not worth it.

25 posted on 12/18/2002 7:15:15 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Mudboy Slim; lodwick
pinging you to this interesting article
31 posted on 12/19/2002 8:45:57 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: Mudboy Slim
This is the principled opposition to your position: those who ask Sen. Lott to imagine beyond his race do not do so themselves is no consolation.
32 posted on 12/19/2002 8:47:39 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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