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The Firing Line is Shutting Down
TheFiringLine ^ | 12-18-02 | self

Posted on 12/18/2002 1:25:21 PM PST by backhoe

The Leading online forum for firearms enthusiast is closing down. Members here who belong, be advised:

-TFL's Final Days: And a Challenge to our Members--

-Alternate Site Suggestions-- Places to go when T.F.L. closes--


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 12/18/2002 1:25:21 PM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
NO!!! Now what?
2 posted on 12/18/2002 1:26:25 PM PST by Puppage
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To: Puppage; Jim Robinson
All you need to do is ask JimRob to add a new Forum section....
3 posted on 12/18/2002 1:42:36 PM PST by r9etb
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To: *bang_list
Well darn!
4 posted on 12/18/2002 1:42:48 PM PST by Joe Brower
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To: *bang_list
Bang
5 posted on 12/18/2002 1:44:26 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: r9etb
He already did. It's called the bang list.
6 posted on 12/18/2002 1:55:24 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: backhoe
It has been a treasure of firearms information of all kinds.
7 posted on 12/18/2002 2:56:48 PM PST by RLK
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To: Puppage
If you'll follow that second link, TFL member Oleg Volk is trying to organize a substitute site to open before TFL closes. You can get his email by poking the correct icon, and he'll advise you when it's set up.
8 posted on 12/18/2002 3:22:30 PM PST by backhoe
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To: RLK
I believe TFL was the first forum I ever joined. Its technical infomation was superb, and the forum well-mannered. I frequently linked to it, and made some good friends there.

It will be sorely missed.

9 posted on 12/18/2002 3:24:42 PM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Man, if this just doesn't cap a crappy year for me. Here's the official announcement.

TFL to Close At End of 2002

To All Members;

TFL will cease operation on or about January 1, 2003. The entire site will remain up, in perpetuity, as a monument to what we have built together. The search function will continue also. However, new posts will not be possible after that time. New registrations have already been closed down to avoid confusion. The Buy/Sell Forums are now closed for new Posts…please use PM and Email to complete pending transactions. (The Private Messaging system may well survive the transition. If so, we’ll leave it up for your continued use.)

I know this is a shock to many, and you deserve an explanation. The answer is quite simple: I’ve been at this for more than four years and am simply burned out. Having taken on new commitments, I find my time more and more limited…to the point that 7 days is not a long enough week. As a result, I have allowed a lot of things to suffer, including management of TFL. While the Members and Staff have done an outstanding job of honoring our “culture” and goals, an endeavor such as this requires daily hands on management.

Some will ask. “Why not just appoint a new chair”. This is a very difficult question to answer and we’ve wrangled with it in the Staff Lounge, as I have personally. TFL was started by me in October 1998 as a Social Experiment: I believed that firearms discussion sites, with few exceptions, were being run improperly. I believed that, if we set up a site, without commercial advertisement and requested only your adherence to a few rules of polite behavior, it would be overwhelmingly successful in promoting Responsible Firearms Ownership.

Evidently, about 18,000 of you agreed. Today, TFL has a reputation for being the standard to meet in providing information, political insight and camaraderie for firearms enthusiasts around the globe. And so it is, that we end on a high note….with TFL still available as example and reference, long into the future. While the Staff is split regarding my decision, I believe I can say that I have their unanimous support in granting me the right to make this call.

We hardly intend to leave our Members in the cold. Even now plans are being drawn up for the launch of new firearms boards, and I encourage each of you to go forth and multiply. Take what you’ve taught us and what you’ve learned from us and teach it to others. Don’t set out to meet TFL standards: Surpass Them. Consider spending an hour less per week online…use that hour to get involved Politically; Go shooting; Get some fresh air….Teach Our Children about The Bill of Rights…all of them.

Is it possible we’ll be back? Perhaps. After all, I’m the one who will probably miss this place more than anyone. However, don’t expect to see that in the next few months. You have equipped each other to better promote the cause of Freedom in America….put it to good use.

On a personal note, I’ve made lifelong friends here: Staff and Members. We’ve done great work together: from beating HandGun Control into submission over their name. to making the JPFO Documentary, Innocents Betrayed a reality. I’ve learned more about myself, more about listening, more about loyalty and more about leadership here than any business school could possibly teach.

My special thanks and heartfelt admiration for a Volunteer Staff that, if it had a mind, could turn United Airlines around! Mykl, DC, Rob, Dennis, George H., Gary, Art, Al, Barclay, Bill, Bud, Byron, Dave, Denny, Don. Erick, George S., Harley, Ian, John, Johnnie, Justin, Mal, Marko, Matt, Oleg, Scott, Shawn, Son and Tamara. I’d follow any one of these people down the barrel of a cannon!

To our Members: before you email me, think about a few things:

- TFL emails are a large part of my time burden. Please don’t attempt to engage me in long conversations about this decision. It’s done.

- If you believe that we somehow “owe” it to you to continue, please don’t email us at all. We owe no debt that must be paid with indentured servitude; any more than you “owe” us for the last four years of free service.

- If you believe that TFL should be passed on to a successor, we’ll gladly comply: simply post the location of that successor board on the discussion thread below. We’ll take a look and if Staff approves, I’ll include the site in a final, permanent Announcement on all of the Forums, in addition to a mass email. In short, I don’t think any Member will be at a loss for a new home. But please don’t ask me to surrender the data files, so long as they remain available for reference.

Housekeeping issues:

- We suggest that all Members take this opportunity to check your profiles and email addys…many of them are not correct. (You should be able to change them even after we close the board to new posts.)

- To check your email address:

http://TheFiringLine.com/forums/mem...ion=editprofile - If you wish to make your email addy visible for members to be able to find you or be notified by email should someone send you a Private Message (PM):

http://TheFiringLine.com/forums/mem...ion=editoptions - To change your password:

http://TheFiringLine.com/forums/mem...on=editpassword

Member comment is encouraged...you deserve closure. But remember this: our legacy is not determined by the way we start things, but by the manner in which we end them. You needn’t agree with my decision, but I hope you’ll respect it.

Thank You and God Bless You All-

Rich Lucibella

10 posted on 12/18/2002 5:19:14 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland
Thanks for posting that. With about 18,000 members, TFL was a big voice on the web- it will be missed.
11 posted on 12/18/2002 5:34:26 PM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Thanks for posting that. With about 18,000 members, TFL was a big voice on the web- it will be missed.

A bunch of us TFL expats are gathering over at guntalk.com. C'mon over and join us. BYOB.

12 posted on 12/18/2002 5:44:03 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: backhoe
Sorry, that's

http://www.Gun-Talk.com/

13 posted on 12/18/2002 5:49:09 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland
Yeah, I'm signed up over there, and at http://www.familyfriendsfirearms.com/cgi-bin/fff/ultimatebb.cgi , but let's face it, it's not going to be the same. I've got high hopes for whatever Oleg's going to try to pull off, though

Tarawa (aka Drizzt)
14 posted on 12/18/2002 6:13:11 PM PST by tarawa
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To: tarawa
but let's face it, it's not going to be the same

Yeah, it's kind of an electronic diaspora, isn't it? Hope Oleg can pull it all together again.

15 posted on 12/18/2002 6:19:58 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland
TFL was my second favorite site, after FR.
Ah well, the only constant in life is that
things change.
16 posted on 12/18/2002 7:15:00 PM PST by jrp
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To: backhoe
Good Evening All-

Wow, that is unfortunate news. Rich Lucibella explained himself quite clearly, so it looks like that ship has left port and RKBA enthusiasts will need to find a new "home" on the Web. Good, intelligent, well-mannered folks on that forum.

See y'all on the pages suggested for TFL expats! Another good one is http://www.bladeforums.com. Thanks for posting the news here, Backhoe.

~ Blue Jays ~

17 posted on 12/18/2002 9:54:54 PM PST by Blue Jays
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To: backhoe
Try THE ACCURATERELOADING FORUMS
at http://www.serveroptions.com/cgi-bi.../ultimatebb.cgi

I have been going there for a long time now.
18 posted on 12/18/2002 10:34:39 PM PST by Mr_Magoo
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To: Mr_Magoo
DAMN! Make that

http://www.serveroptions.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi
19 posted on 12/18/2002 10:35:43 PM PST by Mr_Magoo
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To: RogueIsland
Thanks for putting the info here!
20 posted on 12/19/2002 1:46:16 AM PST by backhoe
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To: Blue Jays
Thanks for looking. TFL will be missed.
21 posted on 12/19/2002 2:21:06 AM PST by backhoe
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To: Mr_Magoo
Thanks for the corrected link!
22 posted on 12/19/2002 3:26:33 AM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
*This* is a serious bummer. At one time, I was there as much as I am at FreeRepublic now. It's still the best place on the net to go for firearms knowledge and lore. Yikes! What'll we do!
23 posted on 12/19/2002 3:34:41 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: tarawa
>>I've got high hopes for whatever Oleg's going to try to pull off, though

If nothing else, you know it will have a great graphic look. And Oleg was always a good mod on TFL, from what I could tell.
24 posted on 12/19/2002 3:36:31 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: RogueIsland
Let's make that a link (surprised yours didn't auto-linkify):

http://www.Gun-Talk.com/
25 posted on 12/19/2002 3:43:42 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: FreedomPoster
All afternoon & night, my email box has been filling up with this:


Hello johnr,
>
> erthmun has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - TFL to Close At End of 2002 - in the General Discussion Forum forum of The Firing Line.
>
> This thread is located at:
> http://www.TheFiringLine.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=146237&goto=newpost
>
> There may be other replies also, but you will not receive any more notifications until you visit the board again.


TFL was the first board I ever joined on the web... in pre-web days of BBS's I was on Compuserve, Genie, Prodigy, and a few more, but TFL was my "first" on AlBorg2000's Information Superhighway.

I sure hope Oleg can pull a rabbit out of his hat and get TFL'ers to migrate to a new site... the other boards some members have suggested just don't seem quite right, for some reason.

I can't quite put a finger on what it is... some are awfully small- a few hundred members, which would surely change if the majority of TFL'ers landed among them. Others have names that I suspect would be off-putting to non-firearms enthusiasts, and one of my mission statements is to "get people to educate themselves," so any barrier to getting a non-gunnie to look around is not desirable, from my POV.

26 posted on 12/19/2002 3:52:28 AM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
>>so any barrier to getting a non-gunnie to look around

Excellent point. And if anyone can overcome that, it's Oleg. I just hope he has the personal bandwidth to pull it off.

>>I sure hope Oleg can . . . get TFL'ers to migrate to a new site

Another key point - the fact that so many knowledgeable folks congregated in one place, and that bad eggs were moderated out. The usefulness of a network has been said to be proportional to, not the number of members/nodes, but the square of the number of members/nodes. The critical mass that TFL enjoyed was a large part of the reason for its usefulness.
27 posted on 12/19/2002 4:28:26 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: FreedomPoster
many knowledgeable folks congregated in one place, and that bad eggs were moderated out...

Yes, TFL was one of the finer sites around. Let's hope it can continue in some form elsewhere.

28 posted on 12/19/2002 6:45:52 AM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Bttt^ of regrets-
29 posted on 12/20/2002 3:12:49 AM PST by backhoe
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To: All
A "the lights are going out..." Bttt^

Soon to be filled with Silent Keys...

30 posted on 12/22/2002 9:38:54 AM PST by backhoe
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The replacement for TFL is up and accepting old members, and asking for new members--

http://thehighroad.org/

It appears THR will have a broader scope than TFL, encompassing civil liberties more widely. I urge all members here who are interested in the RKBA issues, technical information, tactics, etc., to take a look and consider joining.

Make no mistake, the anti-self-defense forces are waiting in the wings, licking their chops in anticipation of a fall from grace by President Bush, or another atrocity involving guns so they can trot out their "sensible firearms regulations for all the children" or other poll-tested talking points.

They have 'em ready, waiting for targets of opportunity. We need as broad and loud a voice as we can find to keep re-educating the public.

31 posted on 12/26/2002 12:56:15 PM PST by backhoe
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To: All
A "Join The High Road" bttt^
32 posted on 12/29/2002 3:41:08 AM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe; All
Thanks for the information, links.
33 posted on 12/29/2002 4:12:05 AM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt
Thanks for looking. It will be interesting to see how many of TFL's 18,000 members actually migrate to THR.
34 posted on 12/29/2002 4:24:20 AM PST by backhoe
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To: All
A "goodnight, sweet prince" bttt^

Final call to all members of TFL to check in one last time...

...we are all becoming Silent Keys...

35 posted on 12/31/2002 1:11:06 AM PST by backhoe
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