Mandela slams US President -- yet still denies people's rights to criticise Namibian president

US might invade South Africa - claim by health minister

However, the highly-respected journalist of The Guardian newspaper who had quoted her as saying this, sticks by the story --- saying that he had reported her comments totally accurately during his conversation with the minister.
Britain's Guardian newspaper reported on Tuesday that budgetary priorities meant the health department could not provide antiretroviral (ARV) drugs to the estimated 4.5 million South Africans with HIV.

"We don't have the money for that. Where would it come from," Tshabalala-Msimang was quoted as saying.
Asked if it could come from the money earmarked for the submarines which form part of the multi-billion arms deal, Tshabala-Msimang then said "South Africa needed to deter aggressors: "Look at what Bush is doing. He could invade."

Tshabalala-Msimang said in response that " the media had a responsibility not to sow confusion about Aids."
She also dismissed claims by the Treatment Action Campaign that she had scuppered high-level negotiations for a national antiretroviral treatment plan.

The Cape Times reported on Wednesday that the minister had not yet signed an agreement reached at National Economic Development Labour Council, the forum where intensive discussions had been held for several months among government, labour and business about an HIV/Aids plan that includes ARVs.

"How can I sign a draft agreement? (Labour) Minister Mdladlana and I have to see the final product and then still take it to Cabinet."

Fiddles while SA burns
On the TAC's concerns that the department had not yet released a report compiled by South Africa's top HIV/Aids researchers that recommended ARV treatment, she said the report had still to be discussed at Minmec, the forum consisting of the national health and provincial departments.

On the threatened court action against Mpumalanga health MEC Sibongile Manana for allegedly failing to provide nevirapine to pregnant women, Tshabala-Msimang said the TAC was entitled to their action.
However, she was aware that Mpumalanga had bought enough ARVs to be dispensed at those public hospitals with the necessary capacity.

Tshabalala-Msimang's comments in the Guardian provoked criticism from some opposition parties on Wednesday.
Tshabalala-Msimang was providing the villain in a tragi-comic Christmas pantomime, the Democratic Alliance said on Wednesday. "She continues to fiddle while South Africa burns," DA Chief Whip Douglas Gibson said in a statement.

United Democratic Movement spokesperson Pieter van Pletzen said Tshabalala-Msimang's alleged preference for arms over ARVs confirmed the government had "sold out" South Africans.

"Clearly the ANC has declared war on innocent South Africans, and by her own admission prefer to let people die.
"The UDM regards her utterances as disgusting," he said in a statement.

In a separate statement, Afrikaner Eenheidsbeweging (AEB) leader Cassie Aucamp

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also said Tshabalala-Msimang's comments were "totally irresponsible". Statements such as this were not only totally unfounded, but could kill President Thabo Mbeki's initiatives for an African renaissance and foreign investment in the New Partnership for Africa's Development.

"The AEB calls on Mr Mbeki to do some damage control and repudiate what Tshabalala-Msimang has said." He warned against the development of an "anti-US culture within the ANC".

December 17 2002 at 04:46PM

Nobel Peace Laureate and retired SA President Nelson Mandela -- a man who said this week he may never die -- this week lambasted the United States on Tuesday for what he said were efforts to sideline the United Nations and condemned the Americans' grab for an Iraq weapons dossier as "piracy".

"I am disappointed with heads of state who are just keeping quiet when the United States wants to sideline the United Nations," he said at the African National Congress's five-yearly conference, being held in Stellenbosch in the Western Cape.

The latest move, providing evidence for what Mandela says is the dangerous US disregard for the principles of multi-lateral world governance, was the arrival of Iraq's 12 000-page weapons declaration dossier in Washington earlier this month.

'This was an act of piracy which must be condemned by everyone'

Washington obtained an early unedited copy of the Iraqi declaration originally sent to the United Nations after a deal was struck to override a UN Security Council decision to keep the report under wraps at UN headquarters in New York.
"This was an act of piracy which must be condemned by everyone," Mandela said.

Iraq blasted the move and also said "the US would manipulate the dossier to produce a pretext to launch war.
Mandela, 84, said both he and current South African President Thabo Mbeki counted themselves as friends of the United States and of President George W Bush. But Mandela has been a fierce critic of US policy towards Iraq.
"And one must not be dishonest and evade the real issue - that the US has tended to dangerously disregard the principles of multi-lateral world governance," he said.

"The conduct of the US and the Bush administration with regards to the current Iraq issue is a case in point."
Mandela said there was a clear impression that the US "remained intent on military action against Iraq at all costs".

However, while Mandela was lambasting the democratically-elected US president, he also claimed that day that " outsiders" were not allowed to criticize his friend Sam Nujoma, the president of Namibia -- because he had been " democratically elected."

Mandela said in Stellenbosch according to the SA Press Association:

"People outside Namibia should not complain about Namibian President Sam Nujoma's third term in office, former president Nelson Mandela said on Tuesday.

If he has been elected by his comrades in a free and fair election, we as foreigners have no right to complain," he told delegates at the African National Congress' 51st conference in Stellenbosch.

South Africa was a close friend of the US, both free and democratic countries of the world. He had strong personal bonds with President George W Bush, he claimed.

"I've found him to be objective, open-minded and honest." Mbeki shared that opinion, Mandela said.

Bush had given him many awards, and he had been invited to visit former president George Bush, the incumbent's father, in Texas.

"(Despite) the fact that he has given me awards, I'm sure the US does not want me to suppress my view. I'll continue to express it."

Mandela was "confident that the ANC would dominate South Africa's politics for years to come.

Mandela: I don't know if I'll ever to die...
"I don't know if I'll ever die. There is that possibility,' he said in his speech.

"If that happens I'll move to the next world... and the first thing I'll look for will be the nearest branch of the ANC."
source: gopher://gopher.anc.org.za/00/anc/newsbrief/2002/news1218
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1 posted on 12/18/2002 5:30:16 PM PST by backhoe

Interesting that the oppressed people of South Africa don't enjoy the same freedom of speach that Mandela uses.

2 posted on 12/18/2002 5:33:19 PM PST by ChadGore

Thanks for looking... the first thing strongmen & dictators do is disarm, then silence people. Just look at the "worker's paradise" in Cuba...

3 posted on 12/18/2002 5:37:27 PM PST by backhoe

Darn! I was planning to invade South Africa this weekend. I guess I'd better not if they've got subs lurking off the coast.

4 posted on 12/18/2002 5:38:22 PM PST by Restorer

If Nelson Mandela had not been released, we would not have had all these problems over the last several years. (Tongue in cheek)

5 posted on 12/18/2002 7:31:04 PM PST by nwrep

TERRORIST'S RECORD OF NELSON & WINNIE MANDELA,

The communist orientation of the ANC is beyond dispute. There are many confirmations of this fact found in various publications, as well as statements by communists themselves:

"Indeed, there are close ties between the Soviet Union and the South African Communist Party, which, to a great extent, controls the ANC. Such influence began as early as 1917, the USSR now being very active in 10 Southern African nations: Namibia, Angola, Bothswana, Zimbabwe, Malawi, Lesotho, Swaziland, Mozambique, Zambia, and South Africa.

Soviet activity, of course, often assumes covert forms. The Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU), for instance, formed near the end of 1985, actually is a new front for the ANC...." (South Africa and the Marxist Movement: A Study in Double Standards, Panos Bardis, p. 101)

WorldNetDaily has likewise demonstrated that the ANC is a communist organization: "The misdeeds of the Soviet-sponsored African National Congress have been well chronicled. It operated under and parallel to the South African Communist Party, established in the early 1920s as the first Communist Party outside the Soviet Union." ("Atrocities of the Marxist ANC: 'Truth' commission reveals Mandela's bloody path to power," Anthony LoBaido, July 3, 2000)

In 1944, Nelson Mandela became a member of the African National Congress (ANC). In 1952, he was confined to the Magisterial District of Johannesburg, South Africa; in 1956 he was charged with high treason, tried, and acquitted. In 1961, when the ANC was outlawed, Mandela evaded arrest but was jailed in November 1962 for five years.

Mandela and his fellow revolutionaries were caught red-handed with: 48,000 Soviet-made anti-personnel mines, 210,000 hand grenades, and documents showing proof of involvement of Moscow, Algeria, China, Czechoslovakia, and East Germany in financing and backing a communist revolution in South Africa. Mandela admitted his guilt, was convicted after a free and fair trial, and was sentenced to life imprisonment on June 11, 1964. He was charged under the Suppression of Communism Act and was tried between October 1963 and June 1964. During this trial, a 62-page document in Mandela's own handwriting entitled How To Be a Good Communist was offered as evidence. This was the famous Rivonia Trial, named after Johannesburg’s fashionable suburb in the north, where in June and July 1963 the South African authorities found huge quantities of equipment designed for civil war.

At that time, Mandela was incarcerated not because he held unpopular political opinions (communist), but because he was convicted of 23 acts of sabotage and of conspiring to overthrow the government. The South African President P. Botha offered him freedom if he would renounce violence, but Mandela always refused the offer.

One of the most insightful descriptions of Mandela's political views is found in The Richmond News-Leader of May 2, 1986:

"The story goes that South Africa's jailed Nelson Mandela, and his wife Winnie are just your standard garden-variety moderates who want freedom for their country. But consider this. Moscow's communist party newspaper Pravda recently carried a story about Winnie Mandela, quoting her as saying: 'The Soviet Union is the torch-bearer for all our hopes and aspirations. We have learned and are continuing to learn resilience and bravery from the Soviet people, who are an example to us in our struggle for freedom, a model of loyalty to internationalist duty. In Soviet Russia, genuine power of the people has been transformed from dreams into reality. The land of the Soviets is the genuine friend and ally of all peoples fighting against the dark forces of world reaction.'

"This is not the swoony stuff of a dizzy moderate, but the disciplined ideologuese of a Soviet stooge."

Furthermore, Winnie Mandela's true colors and those of the ANC were revealed at Munsieville, on April 13, 1986, when she said: "With our boxes of matches and our necklaces ["necklacing:" a torture in which a gasoline-filled tire is placed around the neck of a victim and set ablaze], we shall liberate this country." (South African Digest, April 18, 1986, p. 324)

South Africa, meanwhile, given over by F.W. de Klerk and Pik Botha to the Marxist African National Congress, has turned into a cauldron of murder, rape, AIDS and anarchy.

Nelson Mandela has long had strong ties to the MPLA, as the Marxist Angolan regime has provided Mandela's African National Congress with a haven for its terrorist training bases.

In fact, upon his release from prison, Mandela gave a speech in Angola's capital of Luanda on May 10, 1990, in which he said: "The ANC brought young people into Angola to receive military training. This was indeed a major turning point in the history of South Africa. The progress we have made in our armed struggle is owed largely to Angola.

Angola allowed us not only to receive arms from friendly countries abroad, but also allowed us to establish camp and gave us freedom to train our soldiers." ("A TRAGEDY IN ANGOLA: DeBeers, Clinton's executive order seeks to destroy anti-communist rebel movement," WorldNetDaily, January 30, 2000)

Mandela has committed numerous terrorist acts. Mandela ordered the infamous Church Street bombing, which went off at rush hour to maximize casualties of Afrikaner women, children and babies. He also told the black youth of South Africa at one point to "burn down" their schools. Mandela recently traveled to Libya and presented Qaddafi with South Africa's highest military medal.

His support of other communist dictatorships is blatant. In July 1991, Nelson and Winnie Mandela were in Cuba to celebrate the communist revolution with Fidel Castro.

As Winnie referred to Cuba "as our second home," Nelson Mandela addressed the ceremony saying,
"Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro... Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom, and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny... There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people."

6 posted on 01/30/2003 4:50:26 PM PST by Dqban22

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