The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [20th Revision]

FreeRepublic and Various | 2002-12-20 | Junior et al.

[Aracelis]

it is very important conservatives embrace real science if we are ultimately to overcome the demoncrats. It is in their best interest to keep people uneducated and in the dark when it comes to real science.

Welcome to the Science Threads! You will find, however, that many Conservatives have a agenda similar to that of Liberals and would very much like to prevent certain theories from being taught in our schools.

[Sentis]

f.christian your posts as usual make absolutely no sense can you translate this one for us?

[Aracelis]

In support of my last post, I offer the following link for your consideration. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Don't let it put you off from participation:

Typical anti-science rant

[Sentis]

piltdown woman wrote "Welcome to the Science Threads! You will find, however, that many Conservatives have a agenda similar to that of Liberals and would very much like to prevent certain theories from being taught in our schools."

That is so sad. It would be nice if we could get together on this. I wish there was a party for people like me. Objectivists are far to concerned with themselves, Libertarians want to shut themselves up in a box and lock the rest of the world out, Republicans kowtow to the lowest common denominator. What is left? I need to join a bunch of gun toting scientists who would die to save liberaty from the embrace of the socialists, pretty much like in a Heinlein novel. :)

[Aracelis]

I need to join a bunch of gun toting scientists

LOL, then, "Welcome Aboard"! :-)

[f.Christian]

Creation/God...REFORMATION(Judeo-Christianity)---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY(pc/liberal/govt-religion/rhetoric)...

Then came the evo babbles---incoherents!

[Sentis]

F.christian try inserting some verbs. Possibly that is your problem. At the very least stop using slashes.

[f.Christian]

Then came the evo babbles...incoherents===police!!

[Sentis]

This has got to be the weirdest poster I have seen on any board I have used.

f.christian wrote "Then came the evo babbles...incoherents===police!!"

ok does this mean the evolutionists came and babbled were incoherent then the police showed up?

or does it mean the evolutionists came You babbled incoherently and the police drug you off for some metal treatment?

I tend to support the second interpretation

[laredo44]

Most on these threads have given up posting to that idiot. He has never made any sense. Even the creationists don't seem to pay him/her any attention. Apparently he/she is entertained by it.

[f.Christian]

Coming from evos...compliments---accolades!

[f.Christian]

Main Entry: ac·co·lade
Pronunciation: 'a-k&-"lAd, -"läd
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from accoler to embrace, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin accollare, from Latin ad- + collum neck -- more at COLLAR
Date: 1623
1 a : a ceremonial embrace b : a ceremony or salute conferring knighthood
2 a : a mark of acknowledgment : AWARD b : an expression of praise
3 : a brace or a line used in music to join two or more staffs carrying simultaneous parts

What an honor too...thaks!

[Sentis]

Nice to see you can cut and paste a major step forward. Why do I encourage this guy? Maybe it's fun.

[f.Christian]

Meli kaliki maka...houli maka hiki hou...

Good News For The Day

‘The truth will set you free.’ (John 8:32)

"God's dismissal in the 19th century, and the humiliation of truth in the 2oth, was supposed to set the world free."

"The experiment has been under way for some time now, and it is fair to ask, what are the... results---so far?"

"The Nazi experience in Germany provides a case study. There, a government and a society were organized on the principle of God's non-existence. Did liberation come to pass? On the wall of one of the death camps there is a plaque. It preserves the language of one of Hitler's speeches. The plaque overlooks large mounds of human hair, piles of personal effects; shoes, spectacles. The plaque reads: "I freed Germany from the degrading fallacy of conscience and morality. We will train people capable of violence-imperious, relentless, cruel. . ."

"Those sentiments were nurtured on the same continent that gave the world the reformation. Which was more liberating? If someone came today and said: "I am the truth," we would not take him seriously. But when Jesus says it, we are tempted to let him get away with it. If he is mad, it is a beautiful madness; such an attractive insanity. Let us not be ashamed to offer Christ to the world."

‘The truth will set you free.’ (John 8:32)

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Good News For The Day

‘I am the truth. . ..’(John 14:6)

For most of time, men and women have assumed that the truth was there to be found out. This began to change in the 19th century and the change gathered pace in the 20th. As people began to question the existence of God, it became obvious to some, that the existence of truth requires the existence of God. With God dismissed, it became impossible to conceive of truth in any absolute sense. This has resulted in the humiliation of truth. Truth is now whatever you would like it to be.

Truth's demise has filtered down through the great centers of learning, the arts, and on into streets and homes. Everything is possible with truth gone. Everything is permissible. Musicians make music that doesn't sound musical. Painters paint pictures that are incomprehensible to normal folk. Playwrights write plays that are nonsense, and architects design buildings that no one can understand. All this is put forward as legitimate, but what does it all mean?

No matter how much... popular culture---is encouraged to believe in the relativity of truth, no one can build a decent life on such a notion.

Inevitably proponents of freedom from God, and from absolute truth, are obliged to reach outside of their own system, and borrow something from theism in order to make their lives work. The person who believes that everything is valid, will soon find that he is condemned to meaninglessness. Christ is a standing offer of escape from such a hell as this To believe that truth is like Christ, is salvation indeed.

[Sentis]

f.christian wrote "The Nazi experience in Germany provides a case study. There, a government and a society were organized on the principle of God's non-existence. "

Nope, as a matter of fact Hitler was very religious in his own new age pseudoscientific way. He believed the God (Never really named) created the perfect German race and set them above all other races. they had fled Atlantis and suffered for centuries until they found their birth right in the National socialist party.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creationism/Essays/Hitler.shtml

f.christian wrote "As people began to question the existence of God, it became obvious to some, that the existence of truth requires the existence of God. With God dismissed, it became impossible to conceive of truth in any absolute sense. This has resulted in the humiliation of truth. Truth is now whatever you would like it to be."


Nope the existence of Truth requires the existence of scientific inquiry. If you would like to learn a bit more about objective truth read a little Rand. While I don't agree with all her conclusions she gives a wonderful grounding in truth without god.

f.christian wrote or did he just cut and paste these and they are someone elses words in his mouth "Truth's demise has filtered down through the great centers of learning, the arts, and on into streets and homes. Everything is possible with truth gone. Everything is permissible. Musicians make music that doesn't sound musical. Painters paint pictures that are incomprehensible to normal folk. Playwrights write plays that are nonsense, and architects design buildings that no one can understand. All this is put forward as legitimate, but what does it all mean?"

Nope these things are the result of bad taste rather than any lack of Truth. I mean have you heard the junk that passes for Christian rock?

[Physicist]

f.christian wrote or did he just cut and paste these and they are someone elses words in his mouth "Truth's demise has filtered down through the great centers of learning, the arts, and on into streets and homes. Everything is possible with truth gone. Everything is permissible. Musicians make music that doesn't sound musical. Painters paint pictures that are incomprehensible to normal folk. Playwrights write plays that are nonsense, and architects design buildings that no one can understand. All this is put forward as legitimate, but what does it all mean?"

The really incredible thing about this post--other than its coherence--is that this was exactly Ayn Rand's belief regarding art that doesn't glorify Man. The rhetoric was practically cribbed from her. Of course, she was full of codswallop on this score, at least. There really is no accounting for taste.

[f.Christian]

Is that what you believe..."under reason"---what do you think that is all about?

[Sentis]

Its a sad day for christians when they must use Ayn Rand's philosophy as a support for their claims.

[ContentiousObjector]

could you please add me to your ping list also?

[Sentis]

f.christian wrote "Is that what you believe..."under reason"---what do you think that is all about?"


I dont know what you are talking about can you please please make some sense. I'm bored today and need something to argue about but if I can't understand your incoherent posts I can't respond.