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Vatican acknowledges pope's shortcomings during Holocaust
Agence France-Presse (via ClariNet) ^

Posted on 12/20/2002 3:16:07 PM PST by RCW2001

Story from AFP / Bruno Bartoloni
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VATICAN CITY, Dec 20 (AFP) - The Vatican has for the first time acknowledged the shortcomings during the Holocaust of controversial wartime Pope Pius XII, who is accused by critics of not speaking out against the Nazi extermination of the Jews.

"Pius XII probably did not possess the qualities of a prophet," influential Italian Jesuit magazine Civilita Cattolica, which is controlled by the Vatican, said in its Friday edition.

Many historians and Jewish groups accuse the pope of failing to use his position to head off the extermination of European Jews by the Nazis, although his supporters say he used quiet diplomacy to help them.

Civilita Cattolica said documents by diplomats and prelates in Rome in 1942 showed that Pius, who was pope from 1939 until his death in 1958, was perfectly aware that Jews were being deported and exterminated.

By the end of 1942, the Vatican knew two million Jews had already been killed in Europe, gas chambers were being used in Poland and between 70,000 to 80,000 Jews had been deported from Czecheslovakia, the magazine said.

But the strongest public statement Pius made on the Holocaust was a Christmas 1942 message that merely talked of innocents dying and never specifically mentioned the persecution of the Jews.

The pope's message alluded to "hundreds of thousands of people who are destined to die or waste away without having committed any error, sometimes merely because of their nationality or origins".

Civilita Cattolica quoted witnesses as saying the pope believed he had done his best and was furious when the then Polish president, Wladyslaw Raczkiewicz, wrote to him in January 1943 asking him to intervene on behalf of the Jews.

"I wonder if the president read my (Christmas) message. I am surprised and vexed. Yes, vexed. Not a single word of gratitude or recognition that I said everything, everything. I was clear and precise," Pius told the Polish ambassador to Rome, according to an account by the latter found by Civilita Cattolica in London.

One prominent Jewish historian described the pope's vague Christmas message as "one of the darkest moments of his pontificate", said the article's author, Father Giovanni Sale.

Sale said the Vatican may have downplayed the "extremely significant" information it received on the persecution of Jews out of "excessive caution" or a belief that the reports were "somewhat exaggerated".

He pointed out that the training Catholic priests received at that time was deeply anti-semitic and the Church saw Jews as "Christ killers", a belief only abolished in the 1960s.

Secret Vatican archives on Pius XII's activities when he was a cardinal in pre-war Germany are due to be made public in 2003 and could shed further light on the Catholic Church's role during World War II.

The documents concern the conduct of Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli, who was the Vatican's representative in Germany from 1922-1929 before he became Pope Pius XII at the outbreak of the war in 1939.

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1 posted on 12/20/2002 3:16:07 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
Pius XII was a disaster but we should not overlook the craven complicity of German Protestant denominations during Hitler's rise to power.

Interestingly, only the Jehova's Witnesses openly defied and criticized the Nazis. And of course many of them were killed and or jailed.
2 posted on 12/20/2002 3:21:33 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: RCW2001
THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER LIE.

Civilta Catholica is a publication of the Jesuits.

It is not an official organ of the Vatican.

Giovanni Sale is not a Vatican spokesperson and is a well-known leftist.

The language of this artcile is prejudicious and ludicrous.

3 posted on 12/20/2002 3:24:13 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Maynerd
The usual suspects...

http://www.elca.org/jle/lcusa/lcusa.peace_war_conscience.html
4 posted on 12/20/2002 3:24:55 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Maynerd
Catholics put up a public resistance.

It's shameful that the speeches and sermons of Cardinal Faulhaber, the slaughter of almost every Jesuit in Germany and the sacrifices and death of the Roman Catholic lay organization known as WeiBe Rosa are now forgotten in this rush to bash the heroic Catholics of WWII.

No sovereign in occupied Europe besides Pope Pius XII rescued 800,000 Jews from murder. No one except him.

As the WWII veteran and Israeli Ambassador to London Pinchas Lapide has testified, Pius XII saved almost a million lives.

5 posted on 12/20/2002 3:29:07 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Maynerd
...the craven complicity of German Protestant denominations during Hitler's rise to power.

For a good telling of one Protestant who fought against the Nazi tsunami, I recommend this film:

"Bonhoeffer: Agent of Grace"
it is listed at The Internet Movie Database:
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0250264

On the "Focus on The Family" radio show, a Luthern minister from
Houston, TX (can't remeber his name!) recounts how Niemoller confronted
Hitler when he addressed a convocation of German Protestant ministers...
it sounds like Niemoller made a pretty lonely stand...
6 posted on 12/20/2002 3:31:09 PM PST by VOA
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To: wideawake
...the slaughter of almost every Jesuit in Germany...

Maybe you (or other posters) can help me out.
I know that I once heard that the largest single graveyard/cemetary of Catholic
priests is on the grounds of one of the WWII concentration camps.

I don't doubt it...but was hoping you (or others) could readily give me a citation.
(I just want to have "the goods" for future discussions)
7 posted on 12/20/2002 3:34:13 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
Paul Johnson's "History of Christianity" gives a pretty good overview of this time period as well as the insanity by all sides during WWI. PJ is a conservative curmugeon (?sp) and I believe Catholic. He does not make his living basing Christians. He was very damning (no pun intended) of Pope Pius XII
8 posted on 12/20/2002 3:42:36 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: VOA
The Gusen complex at the Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp contains the graves of hundreds of Catholic priests.

There are also a large number of Catholic priests who died at Auschwitz, but a good number of priests were shipped to Gusen from Auschwitz, so the bulk of interned priests were sent there to be killed - mostly through exposure, by being forced to work quarries in the mountains during the winter without winter clothing.

They were also, along with Jews, subjected to some gruesome heart-injection experiments there.

9 posted on 12/20/2002 3:43:59 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Maynerd
basing = bashing
10 posted on 12/20/2002 3:45:06 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: Maynerd
Johnson has it in for Pius XII because Johnson is a strong Newmanite - and Pius XII took the side of his predecessor Pius IX against Johnson's hero and refused to beatify Newman.

Johnson's book notably downplays the Catholic resistance to Hitler as well.

Johnson may be a conservative by English standards, but he's still a sweetness-and-light John XXIII man.

11 posted on 12/20/2002 3:48:59 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
No one denies the bravery and sacrifice of individual clergy and laity members of the catholic church and protestant churches. What is disturbing is the behavior of the hierarchy. Their extreme fear of atheistic communism biased them towards complicity or at least passivity with the Nazis.
12 posted on 12/20/2002 3:49:40 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: Maynerd
You misjudge the entire situation.

First, Pius XII was around during the merciless mass slaughter of Ukrainian Catholics by the Communists during the 1930s. He wanted to make sure that Catholics in Europe did not meet the same fate in Germany.

Second, Pius XII had no military resources. The only resources he had were financial and diplomatic. Through his diplomacy 800,000 Jews survived and through his treasury thousands of starving Jews were fed.

By maintaining his diplomatic network, the Church delivered meaningful information to the Allies and provided resources to the officers' plot against Hitler.

Lots of people who like to talk big today don't have much to show for themselves other than their big words.

Pius XII preferred to act rather than grandstand for the microphones. People who talked big in Occupied Europe got killed before they did any good - you might as well ask why Oskar Schindler didn't mouth off to the Nazis like he should have.

Because of Pius XII's modesty and humility, he never trumpeted his own humanitarian successes or boasted of his accomplishments. But they are a matter of historical record - a record which Catholic-bashing leftists are now trying to flush down the memory hole.

13 posted on 12/20/2002 4:00:37 PM PST by wideawake
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To: RCW2001; Aquinasfan
This a complete and utter fabrication:

    "The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas... he is about the only ruler left on the Continent of Europe who dares to raise his voice at all... the Pope put himself squarely against Hitlerism... he left no doubt that the Nazi aims are also irreconcilable with his own conception of a Christian peace."

    The New York Times editorial
    12/25/41 (Late Day edition, p. 24)

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    "This Christmas more than ever he is a lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent... Pope Pius expresses as passionately as any leader on our side the war aims of the struggle for freedom when he says that those who aim at building a new world must fight for free choice of government and religious order. They must refuse that the state should make of individuals a herd of whom the state disposes as if they were lifeless things."

    New York Times editorial
    12/25/42 (Late Day edition, p. 16)

We are to believe that Pius abandoned the Jews because he didn't mention them specifically, but the fact of the matter is that the Jews weren't the only ones dying.

I took these quotes from another thread, the original is courtesy of Aquinasfan.

14 posted on 12/20/2002 4:46:57 PM PST by TomB
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To: VOA
The book and who will kill you by Rev Bedrich Hoffmann who testified at Nurnberg documents 2,524 priests from 24 nations held in the Dachau concentration camp. Rev Hoffman was among the prisoners. This book was originally published in Czechoslovakia in 1946. Obviously if the Pope could not save his own priests, he could hardly save others in the grip of the Nazis.

General Linden, 42nd Rainbow Division, organizing things April 29/30, 1945 Dachau.

15 posted on 12/20/2002 5:00:34 PM PST by ex-snook
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To: wideawake
Johnson may be a conservative by English standards, but he's still a sweetness-and-light John XXIII man.

What does that mean?

16 posted on 12/20/2002 5:09:50 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: RCW2001
This is utter nonsense. The Jesuits take a fourth oath, of loyalty to the Pope. They have, regretably, been breaking that oath for the past forty or fifty years. They are the principle source of dissent in the Church today. There are still some fine Jesuits around, but they are a small minority within a disloyal order.

There have been numerous recent studies on Pius XII arguing that the charges against him are unhistorical nonsense. It has NEVER been the custom of the modern papacy to take sides between countries, to say that England is good and Germany is bad. But the Germans knew perfectly well whom he was criticizing.

Roosevelt and Churchill did nothing for the Jews during the war. Pius XII saved tens of thousands of them. That was why Golda Meier, the Chief Rabbi of Rome, and many other Jews thanked him for his work in saving Jews after the war was over.
17 posted on 12/20/2002 5:24:57 PM PST by Cicero
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To: RCW2001
This whole article sounds to me like a liberal attempt to pit the Catholics against the Jews. DIVIDE AND CONQUER! For example, the following quote from the article:

***He pointed out that the training Catholic priests received at that time was deeply anti-semitic and
the Church saw Jews as "Christ killers", a belief only abolished in the 1960s.***

I attended Catholic school long before the '60s and all the teaching was to respect other beliefs. We were taught that it was sinful to use the expression, Christ killers. There is NO WAY I believe that priests were taught to be anti-semitic.

If the liberals/socialists can divide us along religious beliefs, they can then implement their "no religion" propaganda and laws.
18 posted on 12/20/2002 5:26:01 PM PST by kitkat
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To: RCW2001
<< Vatican acknowledges His Holiness the Pope's "shortcomings during Holocaust" >>

Liar.

Shalom Shalom
19 posted on 12/20/2002 5:49:48 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: Maynerd
This is the Vatican deliberately undermining the preconciliar popes. Pius XII did more to help rescue the Jews than any other human being during the war.
20 posted on 12/20/2002 10:45:13 PM PST by ultima ratio
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