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Local officials snuff legalized marijuana
Google News | December 19, 2002 | Thomas Klett

Posted on 12/20/2002 9:37:03 PM PST by Sparta

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To: golder
Experience, yes, but of the use of dope by others, not by myself.

Although I grew up in the smokin' 70s, for some reason I was never tempted to partake, even though it was all around me. It just never seemed somehow "right" to me to seek to lose control.

But I did watch others carefully. My dorm-mate in college was in particular a REAL doper. If you can get high on second-hand pot smoke, then I guess I can say I've imbibed.

It was interesting to see, in college in the mid- to late-70s, the dopers, many of whom were absolutely brilliant people, consistently fall short of all reasonable academic expectations. It was just hard for them to be interested in anything except their religion.

41 posted on 12/21/2002 7:32:06 AM PST by Illbay
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To: galt-jw
statism!

BWAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!! ......... waahahhahhahahahahhahahhah..............

42 posted on 12/21/2002 7:34:23 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; headsonpikes; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; ...
WOD Ping. Thanks for the heads-up, Sparta.
43 posted on 12/21/2002 9:05:18 AM PST by jmc813
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To: dennisw
Holland. It also allows Islamics to invade it.

Yes, and our banning of drugs has worked wonders along our southern border.
44 posted on 12/21/2002 9:14:50 AM PST by jmc813
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Thanks for the post. Here's part of the NewAdvent definition of 'humanism':

The chief merit of Italian Humanism, as indeed of Humanism in general, was that it opened up the real sources of ancient culture and drew from these, as a subject of study for its own sake, the classic literature which till then had been used in a merely fragmentary way. Philological and scientific criticism was inaugurated, and historical research advanced. The uncouth Latin of the Scholastics and the monastic writers was replaced by classic elegance. More influential still, but not to good effect, were the religious and moral views of pagan antiquity. Christianity and its ethical system suffered a serious shock. Moral relations, especially marriage, became the subject of ribald jest. In their private lives many Humanists were deficient in moral sense, while the morals of the upper classes degenerated into a pitiable excess of unrestrained individualism. A political expression of the humanistic spirit is "The Prince" (Il Principe) of Niccolo Machiavelli (d. 1527), the gospel of brute force, of contempt for all morality, and of cynical selfishness.
http://www.newadvent.org

45 posted on 12/21/2002 10:40:50 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: dennisw
Holland. It also allows Islamics to invade it. When you legalize drugs a lot of other things stop mattering too.

Got any other examples, or is this a one-nation "trend"?

46 posted on 12/21/2002 12:51:51 PM PST by Imal
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To: Illbay
Yes, I know there are a few quacks out there who claim it does, but fortunately for the public we actually have a process whereby the medicinal virtues of various substances are put through rigorous testing.

Yes, but that process does not operate in a political vacumn. In this case, it's been short circuited because of political concerns in the War on Some Drugs. Marijuana is an excellent general-purpose analgesic and appetite activator that has been safely used for millenia. It's cheap, can be administered in multiple forms that patients will accept, and patients find it very simple to determine and adjust an effective dosage.

And, yes, it is psychoactive. So are other drugs that are prescribed. Certain everyday activities like driving, etc., should be limited when you use it, just like hundreds of other drugs.

Are there derivatives of the plant's active agent that could be used? Yes, but why use an expensive commerical pharmaceutical when you can simply ingest an inexpensive plant and get the job done?

The decision to refuse to allow doctors, who are trusted and allowed to prescribe hundreds of other drugs with deleterious effects, not to prescribe this one drug is absurd.

47 posted on 12/21/2002 7:49:15 PM PST by RonF
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To: jmc813
The FREAKS (Feigning Realism Encouraging Absolutism and Knowledge Suppression) are out on this article in force. As full of BS as the article is it needs all of the support they can bring.
48 posted on 12/22/2002 3:00:25 AM PST by philman_36
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To: RonF
Cocaine has been medically proven effective as a local anesthesia to the nose, mouth or throat to allow some types of surgery or examinations without pain. It can be prescribed and used only under doctor's supervision, and applied by spray or cotton swab directly to the area being anesthetized.

If marijuana were found to have some similar medical benefit, I wouldn't have a problem. But don't get your hopes up; I doubt it will be in smoked form.

49 posted on 12/22/2002 9:19:29 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: jmc813
Mary Sloan, prevention supervisor for Northwest Iowa Drug and Alcohol Treatment Unit,and someone that would certainly be looking for another job should court ordered, mandatory treatment for MJ addiction go the way of the dodo had one word to describe the proposals - wrong. Well Duuuuhhhhhh...how could something that takes away her job be right???

Thanks for the ping jmc813 but that is as far as I read.

EBUCK

50 posted on 12/23/2002 8:33:45 AM PST by EBUCK
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To: Sparta
No, because the effects of meth make the majority of its users go violent and attack others.

Those Damned Blue-Collar Tweekers, Primus

I've seen them out at Soco They're pounding sixteen penny nails The truckers on the interstate Have been known to ride the rails The sweat is beating on the brow Can't keep these fellas down 'Cause those damned blue-collared tweekers Are runnin' this here town

I knew a man who hung drywall He hung it mighty quick A trip or two to the blue room Would help him do the trick His foreman would pat him on the back Whenever he would come around 'Cause these dammed blue-collar tweekers Are beloved in this here town

Now the union boys are there To protect us from all the corporate type While curious George's drug patrol Is out here hunting snipe Now they try to tell me different But you know I ain't no clown 'Cause those damned blue-collar tweekers Are the backbone of this town

Now the flame that burns twice as bright Burns only half as long My eyes are growing weary As I finalize this song So sit back and have a cup o' joe And watch the wheels go round 'Cause those damned blue-collar tweekers Have always run this town

For your entertainment..and enlightenment. Meth, the supposed psycho-maker, is even handed out to our pilots (flting billion dollar jets no less) in time of war. Used responsibly (as with any drug) and people don't go ape-$hit.

EBUCK

51 posted on 12/23/2002 8:41:03 AM PST by EBUCK
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To: tacticalogic
everyone who uses it is a criminal.

Sure, and by extension, most countries in world have banned private ownership of guns, making most gun owners criminals. Therefore all guns, everywhere, should be banned. Globalism ROCKS!!!!

EBUCK

52 posted on 12/23/2002 8:48:23 AM PST by EBUCK
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To: robertpaulsen
I doubt it will be in smoked form.

For some, the smoked form is the only way to ingest it (nausea etc..) outside of IV administration (which may be impossible outside of a hospital).

EBUCK

53 posted on 12/23/2002 8:57:26 AM PST by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
Globalism ROCKS!!!!

Yup. They've even started using the UNDCP treaties as an excuse to refuse to justify the scheduling of mj, even though the CSA makes no provisions for those treaties to be a consideration. I'd be willing to bet the DEA had a hand in helping to write those treaties in the first place.

54 posted on 12/23/2002 9:01:13 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: EBUCK
I've read where they're looking at an eyedrop application of THC for glaucoma. Also, don't rule out a 'patch' form of medication delivery (similar to nicotine) or suppository form.

My point was that even if marijuana is found to have medical benefits, it would probably not be delivered by smoking. It would be difficult to administer in a hospital setting, and there would be potential side effects like those associated with smoking tobacco.

55 posted on 12/23/2002 12:58:05 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
My point was that even if marijuana is found to have medical benefits, it would probably not be delivered by smoking. It would be difficult to administer in a hospital setting, and there would be potential side effects like those associated with smoking tobacco.

Good point...I just can't seem to picture some guy in a hospital bed "toking" his hourly dose while some poor fellow in the next cot is suffering from asthma or any other respritory ailment.

I have read a bit about the eye drops but they sure do seem to be high priced compared to a joint.

EBUCK

56 posted on 12/23/2002 1:11:03 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: robertpaulsen
Forgot to comment on this part...

suppository form.

LOL, I'm thinking that there may be some initial friction to the delivery vector...

EBUCK

57 posted on 12/23/2002 1:12:12 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
I have read a bit about the eye drops but they sure do seem to be high priced compared to a joint.

The current approval process pretty much assures that you won't see approval for any form of THC that doesn't involve a pharmacuetical company and a patent.

58 posted on 12/23/2002 1:32:20 PM PST by tacticalogic
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