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To: Teacher317
You mean like the inevitable collapse of America into a dictatorship? like nuclear war or a major nuclear accident? like death?
Since they are inevitable and can't be avoided, why try to prevent them? Sorry. Count me on the side that will continue to struggle and hope, even against the worst of odds.

How did you mange to jump from further integration being inevitable to nuclear war or dictatorship being inevitable? The only item on your list that would qualify as inevitable is death and with death the best that you could do is attempt to postpone it. What kind of laws do you propose to use in an attempt to prevent further integration or do you have other ideas to use in your fight?

38 posted on 12/22/2002 4:19:43 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Like the big zit on your buddies forehead that everyone is painfully aware of but seemingly ignores .. black urban society, politics and economy is Organized Crime. And we're the ones getting fleeced.

The bulk of underemployed, undereducated, overdependent and overimprisoned black community's buying cash is OUR tax money, grabbed by liberals who have their patrons, sent through a myriad of government agencies distributing it to a bevy of "community agencies" then give the money left after their "cut" to their graft and patronage dependents and so on and so on. "No problem, have D.J. stop by the office Friday, we'll send him on some delivery errands and we can get him a couple hundred "bone" cash money to fund the lifestyle a young smoothie of his caliber demands. Just Remember who your boy is, that's all the thanks I ask."

Newt Gingrich admitted perhaps the most startling and unacceptable truth in 1995 or 1996. "We looked at reforming HUD, but to be honest, we would not even know where to start. It is that chaotic." He didn't have the time and resources to try to figure out how this agency spends $31 billion dollars a year.

Oooh ... oooh ... call on me please ... call on me please! Yes. That money funds the criminal patronage and "invisible" cash economy that pays urban Black American parasites to do nothing but swear allegience to their second tier bagmen, who swear allegience to first tier black community church, political and nonprofit social service capos who are working with academic grant recipients and racially identified think tanks who control $tens of billions of tax dollar distribution and who move in and out of Federal and State bureaucracies and just log roll the corrupt system and build powerful race-specific careers. Go to a black baptist church in the poorest part of any urban center and try to conjure any article of business clothing you as a fairly prosperous professional that costs ONE HALF the cost of the getup the Preacher, Deacon and Church leaders are sporting. $800 Cole Hahn and Gucci shoes, $2000 Armani tailored suits, $150 silk ties with their $75 matching silk hankies, $150 dress shirts and Oh, those $750 topcoats. BAH!!! Mobsters basically taking OUR money in a Federal protection racket.

HUD spends $31 billion on housing we provide for parasites. Wow, I bet none of that gets in any deadbeats pocket. The Agricultural Department distributes $22 billion each year in food stamps that we provide for parasites. No black market or embezzlement there. The DOE spends $14.5 billion to fund the educational resources we already pay out our backsides in State and Property taxes to provide a really shitty education, but a pretty nice employment racket, for parasites and unionized teachers respectively. Yep, 172 days making about $250 per day average teaching 3 hourly classes - and we're not paying enough. The HHS Department costs $400 billion a year, and $450 billion annually is going to an agency called the Health Care Financing Agency, which I will bet no more than 1% of Freepers have any idea of what it does and how it is run. The Social Security Ponzi scheme/Pyramid con costs $394 billion just to operate so we can pay 14% of every dollar of gross income to give Grammy her 1.3% historical return on her "investments".

This is a secondary, insidious and market-free economy in our nation. Trillions of tax dollars are in play. Black Americans are knee deep in it, liberal creeps are trying to bribe Mexican arrivals to join the gang. Trial lawyers are there with bells on, the academics are ridiculously fat and arrogant, the Civil service unions are there and so are the biggest Investment houses, non-profit agencies and Farming entities. That's your Democrat voting base, and it is a solid 45%. A group of our neighbors and countrymates are voting to enable a mobster like Tom Harkin to grab money from my hands so that he can give it to some farmer or farming interest in his state that has voted for him so he can steal my money next year too.

When I go out in my business, I create value. Someone pays me a price, that I earn a profit on and which is subsequently taxed and burdened by regulatory demands. The other economy produces nothing but alleged services for American citizens. There is no value created, no profit fought for, no economies of scale, no drive for efficiencies and innovative offerings and there is NO RETURN on investment in useless, careless and frivilous programs and people. Who has fiduciary responsibility and accountability here?

End of rant.

42 posted on 12/22/2002 5:34:50 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
First, I was pointing out your poor logic skills. Death is not the only inevitable item in my list. Since you qualify integration as inevtiable, I'd say that nuclear accidents and America's eventual collapse into a dictatorship (as has every democratic nation in history) are inevitable, as well.

Second, it isn't integration that I'm struggling and hoping against. I'm far more bothered by the internal collapse of America due to idiotic policies that cater to certain groups, and further rupture the idea of individual rights. See my anecdote in post #36. I'm not against blacks moving wherever they want. I'm against government forcing people together "for their own good." I'm against it for many reasons... overreaching their bounds, government as nanny, forcing one group to do things to help another group, etc. Here's another anecdote from that Property Class of mine to back it up. The Lib-Prof was telling us that a racial discrimination case (either Heart of Atlanta Motel v US or Jones v Mayer, I forget which and my notes are at school) was decided explicitly using the 13th Amendment, since discrimination was a vestige of slavery days. I pointed out that if the 13th was the basis for the decision, it should have been decided the exact opposite way... the only pertinent language in the (very short) 13th was "involuntary servitude" and that forcing a white man who doesn't want to voluntarily serve a black man to do so is by its very plain nature "involuntary service to another."

BTW, I would have thought that this sort of logic was as Libertine as it gets. Protecting the individual's rights, limiting federal powers, and relying on free-market economic forces to bear out changes are usually solid Libertarian grounds. Does "libertarinizing the GOP" not go that far in your book?

53 posted on 12/23/2002 6:21:14 AM PST by Teacher317
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