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New Stores Help Patients Buy Canada Drugs
Reuters | Sun December 22, 2002 08:45 PM ET | Vicky Koren

Posted on 12/22/2002 7:27:23 PM PST by Sparta

ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters) - A Florida company is moving the concept of ordering prescription drugs from Canada one step closer to bargain-hunting American patients by opening a series of storefronts across the Sunshine State.

Winter Springs-based GFE Inc. plans to open its Canada Rx Shop in 15 locations, allowing customers to walk in and set up their prescription drug orders through Canadian pharmacies.

Although U.S. regulators question the legality of such storefronts, no action has yet been taken against GFE.

Thousands of Americans cross the border each year or place orders via the Internet to buy medicine in Canada, where the government health system puts price caps on drugs, and a weak Canadian dollar makes them much less costly.

While technically illegal, this over-the-border trade is largely ignored by U.S. authorities apparently reluctant to prevent consumers from buying necessary medicines at significant savings.

The first Canada Rx Shop opened in Oviedo in June and others have since appeared in Orlando, Kissimmee, Sarasota, New Port Richey and Naples. More stores are expected to open by the end of the month in Sanford, Lakeland, Tarpon Springs, Boca Raton and Miami.

The marketing-based company is owned by insurance brokers Rosemarie and Hans Jenau, whose Web site, CanadaRx Shop.com, was set up earlier this year, offering cost savings of 49 to 89 percent on prescription drugs via the Internet.

On the site, the highest savings are listed for the post-operative breast cancer drug Tamoxifen -- $38.56 for 90 20-mg tablets, compared with a U.S. price of $351.91.

The arthritis drug Vioxx is listed at $107.52 for 90 25-mg tablets, with the average U.S. price at $250.17. A physician's review fee and pharmacist dispensing fee are included.

While the Web site has remained busy, the Jenaus said they were missing a key block of customers: senior citizens.

"The seniors told us they want to talk to real people," Hans Jenau said.

"Our idea was: Why deprive the majority of seniors that don't order on the Internet from the opportunity to obtain less expensive drugs in Canada?" Rosemarie Jenau said.

Their Canada Rx Shop only provides access to discounted Canadian prescription medications, they say.

"Canada Rx Shop is not a pharmacy. We do not order, receive, fill, store, disperse, charge, ship, sell or solicit any kind of medications. We are giving the benefit of personal assistance to order via the Internet," Hans Jenau said.

Storefront and Internet customers are required to fill out a confidential medical questionnaire, read and sign a power of attorney and user agreement, and provide a prescription. The information is forwarded to a Canadian doctor, who reviews the information and writes the prescription.

While the Jenaus maintain they have taken every precaution to operate legally, U.S. state and federal regulators say the company falls under laws prohibiting such activity.

Florida Board of Pharmacy executive director John Taylor cites a law that says no pharmacy, employer or employee may obtain a location other than a pharmacy, for which a permit has been issued by the Florida Board of Pharmacy, from which to solicit, accept or dispense prescriptions.

"It's a consensus of the board that this type of activity, the solicitation of prescriptions at storefronts, is not permitted under the law," Taylor said.

He said he could not confirm or deny whether any investigation was under way.

Despite the Jenaus insistence that they are only providing access to prescriptions, Edwin Bayo, a senior assistant attorney in the Florida attorney general's office said they are "in the business of pharmacy."

"They are in the business of helping people obtain medications without a license," Bayo said. The definition of a pharmacy is a "very broad definition," he said. It includes consulting, assisting, and "not just simply handling."

Bayo said the ordering of prescription medications from out of the country is a hot issue at Board of Pharmacy meetings.

"The issue is an issue that has national scope. So we are waiting and looking for the federal government to say 'Hey, you can't do this,"' Bayo said.

The Jenaus said they believe they are operating a legal business.

"The legal department of the Florida Board of Pharmacy has investigated our business, but has not taken any action," Hans Jenau said. "We have a disclaimer in every store that we do not counsel or dispense drugs."

Jenau said he has also received an official opinion from the Seminole County tax appraiser's office stating that "the Canada Rx Shop occupational license is correct and valid."

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is not taking any action against patients receiving FDA-approved prescription medications from out of the country, but advises Americans that it is safer to buy from American pharmacies.

"It goes back to nobody wants to prevent your grandmother from getting her drugs at a more affordable cost," FDA spokeswoman Laura Bradbard said.

Hans Jenau said the Canada Rx Shop works only with Canadian pharmacies that guarantee FDA-approved drugs manufactured in the United States by American companies.


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1 posted on 12/22/2002 7:27:23 PM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta
bump for good post.
2 posted on 12/22/2002 7:32:40 PM PST by Dubya
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To: Sparta

3 posted on 12/22/2002 7:40:39 PM PST by Consort
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To: Sparta; Dubya
I have no need so no personal knowledge but the people I know are very happy with:

http://www.canadadrugs.com/default.asp
4 posted on 12/22/2002 7:45:55 PM PST by lonestar
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To: Sparta
I heard the lower cost Canadian drugs issue discussed on Mike Rosen's show (KOA Denver) a few months ago.

As I vaguely recall, the reason the same drugs are available in Canada at a lower price is because somehow the US taxpayers are subsidysing the American drug companies for the drugs they are forced to sell to Canada.

Therefore, by selling Canadian drugs in America, buyers are buying drugs subsidized by the US taxpayer. Sort of sliding into a National Health System for presciptions.

I would be very appreciative to anyone who heard that show, and has a better memory than mine.

5 posted on 12/22/2002 8:02:51 PM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: Balding_Eagle
The drug companies do not have to sell in Canada, but since they do it shows that they can make a profit at such prices. The question is why the same drugs are so much cheaper in Canada. It has to be more than a goverment subsidy.
6 posted on 12/22/2002 9:29:04 PM PST by Karsus
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To: Karsus; Balding_Eagle
Actually, there is no subsidy. There are 3 major reasons why prescriptions are cheaper in Canada.

1) Longer exclusivity period. IIRC, drug companies in Canada have 17 years before others can market generic equivalents vs 10.5 in the US. They can spread out their R&D recoupment over a longer period.

2) Price caps. Drugs are capped at a price which is the average that the medication is sold for in industrialized countries. Keeps prices lower, but it's not a subsidy.

3) Advertising restrictions. Probably most significant. Since drug companies are severely limited in what they can say in ads, they spend a only tiny tiny fraction of the multi-billions they do for promotion in the US.

I think the market might be a factor as well. Americans, per capita, use about twice the amount of prescription drugs as Canadians.
7 posted on 12/23/2002 1:10:54 AM PST by badfreeper
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To: Sparta
The savings are enormous. One U.S. generic drug cost me $64.00 for 30 days. I get the name brand from Canada 3 months for $115.00 (after currency conversion).
8 posted on 12/23/2002 4:40:18 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: lonestar
Thanks they have a better price than the other ones I have checked out.
9 posted on 12/23/2002 6:42:01 AM PST by Dubya
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To: lonestar
$115 here $60 in Canada.
10 posted on 12/23/2002 6:43:00 AM PST by Dubya
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To: Sparta
If U.S. companies can dump American workers in favor of cheaper foreign labor, then I see nothing wrong with Americans dumping high-priced American prescription drugs for low cost foriegn counterparts.
11 posted on 12/23/2002 6:47:37 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Sparta
Pharmaceuticals don't cost much to make, on a per-pill basis. Sort of like books or software. The research and development is what costs a lot. Once you figure it out, churning out an extra pill doesn't really cost a lot. Just like printing a hardback book costs about $3.00.

In Canada, drug companies are told they can't charge more than X. But the drug companies still sell there because of the marginal profit on each pill.

Suppose you've got ABC Pharmaceuticals, and they spend $50 million to develop a new drug. Each prescription costs $5 in chemicals to make. Suppose that they believe that demand is 50,000 prescriptions per year. To get their $50 million back over 10 years, assuming no time value of money, would require $5 million in revenue per year, or $105 per prescription (since $5 per prescription would go to the actual chemicals). Now they do this, and then in Canada, with an extra 5,000 prescriptions per year, they can sell the drug too. There, the government says they can only charge $30. Well, they go for this reduced rate, because $30 is higher than $5, and they still make $25 on each prescription. Now suppose the US comes in and also imposes a cap of $30. Well, then the drug company throws in the towel. Same thing happens if so many Americans go to Canada that they cannot recoop their investment.

Price caps are horrible. They distort the market, and cause people to stop R&D and production. It's a great deal if the drug has been developed already, and you can mooch of their labors. It's a horrible deal if you have a disease for which the cure hasn't been developed yet!

12 posted on 12/23/2002 6:57:07 AM PST by Koblenz
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To: Koblenz
I think shopping for prescription drugs in Canada is great. Just as Canadians "mooch" off of our security (our might) we can mooch off of their health care. (Granted, our military is great and their health care is so-so.)

This situation reminds me of European countries which ridicule the US for spending so much on defense when they [europeans] barely spend anything. Heck, that's cause WE are there as a proxy military for them and we pick up most of the cost.

Candians make fun of our medical system. Well, if we had a very strong neighbor with a defense we could depend upon, then we wouldn't have to pay very much for our own defense forces. We could take what we spend in defense now and implement universal health [s]care.

Don't get me wrong, if you are not a Canadian citizen, YOU WILL PAY $$$$ for health care. I know, I got sick in Canada and had to go to the emergency room. Thank God there is a good exchange rate.

Health care in Canada is only "free" for citizens. I once had a Candian tell me their system of health care was better because it was free. Well, that's odd, because it isn't free -- someone [taxpayers] pay for it. And, while we go to Canada for prescriptions, they come here for major operations/etc instead of waiting forever and possibly dying up there. It isn't better, just prepaid (through taxation).

As far as the drug companies go, well, they make enough here in the States. They won't hurt too much by those who have no insurance buying drugs originating across the border.

As for me, I'm placing my order soon. $149 for Advair in the US vs $89 + $15 shipping in Canada. Over a year, that's a few hundred dollars savings. Worth it to me! (It was a Candian doc who put me on advair when I was sick with Asthma. He told me it was very expensive at $75 and he gave me a free sample. Imagine my surprise when I get back here and try to fill a prescription at $149!!!)

13 posted on 12/23/2002 7:41:08 AM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: Koblenz
There is one part of the equation omitted in ABC Pharmaceutical analysis--the near perpetual renewals of patents granted for benign reasons like changing the shape or the color of the pills--thus preventing generic drugs from the marketplace for extraordinary periods of time.
14 posted on 12/23/2002 10:59:47 AM PST by NautiNurse
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