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SPITZER FIDDLED WHILE INVESTORS GOT BURNED (the good, the bad, the ugly on Wall Street)
NY POST ^ | December 24, 2002 | JOHN CRUDELE

Posted on 12/24/2002 2:49:11 AM PST by Liz

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:10:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It is true that two wrongs don't make a right. What Wall Street did to American investors this past decade was not only wrong - it was evil.

Because of unbridled greed, brokerage firms put out false research in order to steal from people who didn't understand the game. Wall Street cut itself in on lucrative initial public offerings that it knew would rise when foolish investors plowed into the stocks days too late.


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....when the hyped stock market busted, it cost people an estimated $7 trillion.....

Spitzer got Wall Street crooks to cough up $1.4 billion in fines to "punish" them.

1 posted on 12/24/2002 2:49:12 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
Because of unbridled greed, brokerage firms put out false research in order to steal from people who didn't understand the game.

I will be the first to agree that the people who fleeced everyone should have their assetts siezed, and should be doing hard time in the general prison population.

But investing is not a lottery. People do need to take responsibility and do the research, even if it means going though company's dumpsters. And by "research", I mean not just reading the breathless press releases, or listening to an "investment counseller" whose real objective is to collect fees and bonuses by churning portfolios.

I know otherwise intelligent people who always acted on their broker's "Hot tip" of the week without question.

I have even seen this activity on here, where "news" is reported, which turns out to be nothing but a pump-and-dump press release.

The People really have to act as if it is their money (It IS) and be suspicious and vigilant so as not to get caught in the next bubble, which is a nice way of saying "fraud".

Look at these dot.bombs that caught so many people..No business plans, No sales, No products, yet people stampeded to them, waving money.

I think it really started with Netscape. "We give the product away free, and are not sure right now how it will make money", yet everyone climbed on for the ride.

2 posted on 12/24/2002 5:08:08 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Liz
There were a few of us back then warning people not to get trapped in the stock market bubble.

Actually, there were several people doing this. Crudele seems to be saying "I told you so", but he fails to mention one instance where he was speaking with any specific knowledge on the subject. Like many, he probably took a look at P/E's approaching 200 and thought things looked a little fishy.

Yes, corrupt firms and their analysts bilked billions, trillions even from investors. However, anyone who invested thinking we were in a "new paradigm", where a company didn't need to earn money to be valuable was just an idiot. Remember, with few exceptions (Enron the most notable), the books weren't cooked; you could see plain as day that a company was sucking wind.

3 posted on 12/24/2002 5:30:22 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: Liz
btttttt
4 posted on 12/24/2002 5:32:36 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Mr. Bird
Agreed, yet I can't blame investors for thinking that Enron, for exmaple, was a buy. Who knew lowlifes like Fastow and Skilling were behind the scenes....and offshore...... cooking the books? Some of Fastow's cooked-up deals were fantastical. He had his whole family in on deals, as well, sucking the life out of Enron.

The billion dollar telecoms sprung from nowhere, like Global X, looked too good to be true....and they were......

As for the hotshot analysts, how could anyone believe the likes of Jack Grubman who was sitting on boards like WorldCom that he was pumping or should I say pimping?

As they were saying on Main Street at the time of the stock market bubble, "Where are the investors' yachts?"

5 posted on 12/24/2002 7:23:24 AM PST by Liz
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To: Gorzaloon
Look at these dot.bombs that caught so many people..No business plans, No sales, No products, yet people stampeded to them, waving money. I think it really started with Netscape. "We give the product away free, and are not sure right now how it will make money", yet everyone climbed on for the ride.

Oh yeah. Glad you mentioned it. The dot-com creators spent money like water on lavish parties and stuff that added zero to the bottom line.

Watching the "cutting edge" dot.bombs TV ads, it was hard to discern just exactly what they were selling. Turns out it was nothing. When they went belly up, their only assets were office furniture.

6 posted on 12/24/2002 7:30:17 AM PST by Liz
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To: rohry; steve50
..........pingo.........
7 posted on 12/24/2002 7:31:31 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
We got no personal responsibility on this. The corporations(front companies) are the only thing being held liabile, the investment banker/CEO/CFO/Broker types that ran the scam are walking around free and richer as a direct result of their conspiracy to defraud.

A Township in Pennsylvania just passed a law removing the "personal rights" granted corporations which started about 1868, a major step in the right direction, imo.

Txs for the ping, Liz
8 posted on 12/24/2002 7:57:41 AM PST by steve50
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To: Liz; rohry; Wyatt's Torch; arete; meyer; DarkWaters; STONEWALLS; TigerLikesRooster; Ken H; ...
educate people about the dangers of the stock market - but I'm figuring that folks have already learned a lot on their own over these past three years.

Got that right!

9 posted on 12/24/2002 8:06:51 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: Liz
"There is some good news in Spitzer's settlement.

First, his actions may have secured his re-election as attorney general last November, but they are likely to end his political career right there."

Good! This guy is nothing but a grandstander...

There is more corruption that has not been uncovered yet, BTW...
10 posted on 12/24/2002 10:16:14 AM PST by rohry
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To: rohry
Guy was gonna do a Rudy. Even though Guiliani rode to victory as a Wall Street nailer, most of the cases he prosecuted fizzled. Although big fish like Boesky, Milken and Levin got nailed.
11 posted on 12/24/2002 10:32:51 AM PST by Liz
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