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Washington Post: CIA interrogations verging on inhumane
Ha'aretz ^ | Last update - 08:08 26/12/2002 | Reuters

Posted on 12/25/2002 10:39:28 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl

WASHINGTON - CIA interrogators have been using "stress and duress" techniques on captured enemies in Afghanistan that blur the line between legal and inhumane, the Washington Post reported on Thursday.

The Post described a cluster of metal shipping containers it said constituted a secret CIA interrogation center at Bagram Air Base, headquarters of U.S. forces hunting al Qaeda operatives and commanders of the ousted Taliban militia.

Captives who refused to cooperate were sometimes kept standing or kneeling for hours, in black hoods or spray-painted goggles, the Post said, citing intelligence specialists said to be familiar with CIA interrogation methods.

At times they were held in awkward, painful positions and deprived of sleep with a 24-hour bombardment of lights - subject to what are known as "stress and duress" techniques, the report said.

Those who cooperated were rewarded with "creature comforts" as well as feigned friendship, respect, cultural sensitivity and, in some cases, money, from their interrogators, it said.

On the other hand, some who did not cooperate were turned over - "rendered," in official parlance - to foreign intelligence services whose practice of torture has been documented by the U.S. government and human rights organizations, the Post said.

"In the multifaceted global war on terrorism waged by the Bush administration, one of the most opaque - yet vital - fronts is the detention and interrogation of terrorism suspects," the paper said.

U.S. officials have said little publicly about the captives' names, numbers or whereabouts, and virtually nothing about interrogation methods.

But the Post said it had gained insights thanks to interviews with several former intelligence officials and 10 current U.S. national security officials - including several people who said they had witnessed the handling of prisoners.

"The picture that emerges is of a brass-knuckled quest for information, often in concert with allies of dubious human rights reputation, in which the traditional lines between right and wrong, legal and inhumane, are evolving and blurred," the Post reported.

The U.S. government publicly denounces the use of torture. But each of the current national security officials interviewed for the article defended the use of violence against captives as just and necessary, the Post said.

"They expressed confidence that the American public would back their view," it added. The CIA had no comment on the article, Mark Mansfield, a spokesman, said late on Wednesday night.

The off-limits patch of ground at Bagram was described by the Post as one of a number of secret detention centers overseas where U.S. due process does not apply, where the CIA undertakes or manages the interrogation of suspected terrorists. Another was reported to be Diego Garcia, a British-owned island in the Indian Ocean.

According to U.S. officials, nearly 3,000 suspected al Qaeda members and their supporters have been detained worldwide since Sept. 11, 2001. About 625 are at the U.S. military's confinement facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Some officials estimated that fewer than 100 captives had been rendered to third countries. Thousands had been arrested and held with U.S. assistance in countries known for brutal treatment of prisoners, the officials were quoted as saying.


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And I just wonder who these foreign intelligence services are that practice a more hands on technique...
1 posted on 12/25/2002 10:39:28 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Stress and duress beats cuddle and caress. It's the old bad cop/bad cop technique.
2 posted on 12/25/2002 10:44:26 PM PST by Consort
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To: Cinnamon Girl
There should be only one rule: Just don't kill 'em, because dead mean don't talk.
3 posted on 12/25/2002 10:44:48 PM PST by July 4th
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Suicide murderers are inhumane. Do what is necessary to get the intel for countering it. PERIOD. I understand the 'drowning response' works well.
4 posted on 12/25/2002 10:46:41 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I guess that we should let them go so that they can tell el-jism how weak and soft we are on their way to their next assignment/slaughter?
5 posted on 12/25/2002 10:46:51 PM PST by Righty1
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To: Travis McGee
PING ... thought you'd like to read this thread.
6 posted on 12/25/2002 10:47:34 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Cinnamon Girl

And I just wonder who these foreign intelligence services are that practice a more hands on technique...

Why, those of Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, Algeria or Yemen.. This is doubly ironical. The prisoners get to be treated under their beloved sharia law, with its panoply of mutilations, whippings and torments. The United States gets to defend freedom with every refinement of tyranny. Of course, it is war and on the battlefield the only laws that survive are the laws of physics. Yet all the more reason to win this victory quickly, because war, and its attendant horrors, is dehumanizing for everybody. Win the war and win it as soon as possible.

7 posted on 12/25/2002 10:49:36 PM PST by wretchard
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Dear Washinton Post,
There are bad guys and there are good guys. We are the good guys.
Signed:
Citizen of a country that would like to remain free and not become another third world hell that Osama has been building(sorry, Patty)
8 posted on 12/25/2002 10:52:20 PM PST by chnsmok
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To: Cinnamon Girl
WASHINGTON - CIA interrogators have been using "stress and duress" techniques on captured enemies in Afghanistan that blur the line between legal and inhumane, the Washington Post reported on Thursday.

So what does the Post think we should being doing .. talk nice to them in hopes they will be nice to us??

9 posted on 12/25/2002 10:53:23 PM PST by Mo1
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And I just wonder who these foreign intelligence services are that practice a more hands on technique...

The Turks, and possibly the Egpytians.

10 posted on 12/25/2002 10:59:07 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Cinnamon Girl
"....the Post said, citing intelligence specialists said to be familiar with CIA interrogation methods."

This whole article is based on this?
It's a joke, right?

11 posted on 12/25/2002 11:01:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Cinnamon Girl

12 posted on 12/25/2002 11:02:20 PM PST by Nick Danger
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To: Mo1
In the words of the immortal Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along and love one another?" Personally, I'd rather have my glock.
13 posted on 12/25/2002 11:02:24 PM PST by appeal2
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww.

I bet Jimmy Nobel P.P. Carter wouldn't treat them as harshly as Bush does.

So sad.

Heheh.




14 posted on 12/25/2002 11:04:20 PM PST by Humidston
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To: Cinnamon Girl
The only excerpts that really matter:

U.S. officials have said little publicly about the captives' names, numbers or whereabouts, and virtually nothing about interrogation methods.

But the Post said it had gained insights thanks to interviews with several former intelligence officials and 10 current U.S. national security officials - including several people who said they had witnessed the handling of prisoners.

"The picture that emerges is of a brass-knuckled quest for information, often in concert with allies of dubious human rights reputation, in which the traditional lines between right and wrong, legal and inhumane, are evolving and blurred," the Post reported.

The above crap, folks, is Exhibit 1 in the "how-to" manual for making up a story (and a headline) where no story exists in the real world.

100% pure speculation.
100% dog feces.
100% liberal scumbag Washington Post, at the top of its game.

Un-freakin'-believable.

15 posted on 12/25/2002 11:08:36 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Even if all this were true (which I highly doubt) I think these dudes are coming out a whole lot better than some 3,000 people did on 9/11 ..... at least they still have the privilege of breathing.
16 posted on 12/25/2002 11:16:07 PM PST by kayak
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I've seen some of this VILE and STUPID nonsense here:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/851762.asp?0cv=CA00

F the terrorist, F what they stand for.. F any media that openly is in support of them.

This is a disasterous FRAUD of msnbc at this point.
17 posted on 12/25/2002 11:18:08 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Have these reporters already forgotten September 11?? I don't care if the questioning offends the sensibilities of these leftists or not. The goal is to find out where the terrorists are and kill them.

We didn't start this: we were working and living and loving on September 11 2001, and we were attacked. Our goal now is to bring to justice those who did and this and who'll do it again or worse.

After the next terrorist attack (I believe there will be one) these same newspapers will be asking why the administration didn't do 'enough' to get information from our Al Qaeda prisoner population.

18 posted on 12/25/2002 11:18:41 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Matt Drudge
.....props, my brother?.......
19 posted on 12/25/2002 11:19:43 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: kayak
Even if any caught 9/11 sympathizer is tortured to death, I won't mind. In fact, it'll please me greatly. God have mercy on these fools, because I sure don't.. And I doubt God will either.
20 posted on 12/25/2002 11:20:00 PM PST by Monty22
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