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U.S. Would Send 690,000 Troops to Korea If War Breaks Out: Report
Yonhap News Worldservice (S Korea) ^
Posted on 12/27/2002 12:37:59 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: crz
Did not mention Red China. Red China is gone. It's just China, and China won't come to the aid of NK. China is sick and tired, not to mention embarrassed, with NK. If China comes in, it will be to cut off the back supply lines of the NK army.
To: american spirit
I have a really hard time with people who complain about BIG OIL if they are comsumers of petroleum products. Either quit using petroleum to fuel your way of life or shut up. (and, think about this, if you are reading or posting on this forum you are a consumer of BIG OIL. That makes you a part of BIG OIL).
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posted on
12/27/2002 3:55:47 PM PST
by
templar
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To: RCW2001
We could extend a "draft" to include any individual found within US borders, papers or not. Invalid paperwork would mean immediate front-line service. Service guaratees citizenship...Hey, it worked in "Starship Troopers"!
To: thepitts
Maybe, if they had them.Ever hear of the draft? (Could happen to our sons and daughters.)
To: jbind
Here are some numbers from 1996. I'm looking for current numbers. This includes support forces as well as combat troops.
Although the Army includes a large active-duty force--more than 491,000 soldiers at the end of 1996--the majority of its military personnel are part-time soldiers in the reserves. The reserve component numbered 596,000 soldiers at the end of 1996, with 370,000 in the National Guard and 226,000 in the Army Reserve.(5)
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posted on
12/27/2002 4:13:41 PM PST
by
PAR35
To: RCW2001
Hmmmmm.
One would be inclined to suspect that North Korea and Iraq, with perhaps some assistance from the leadership of Iran -- PLANNED this diversion in North Korea to coincide with the build up of pressure and troops near Iraq..
One can also wish, that we would be fortunate enough to be able to literally kill both these birds at the same time..
Both of those insane perverts, have been needing killing for a loooong time... Is is time now?
We have been "walking softly -- and some might say "lightly in our loafers" -- for too damned long.. Time to bring out the bat and smash some of these disbelieving bastards.
Semper Fi
To: Charles Martel
Sweet pic, but let's give these a chance before we risk our brave pilots:
* BAT is a precision weapon designed to attack and destroy mobile and relocatable targets - day or night - in adverse weather. Its warhead is capable of the destruction of armored vehicles.
* The Pre-Planned Product Improvement (P3I) system expands the baseline target set to include cold, stationary targets and time critical mobile targets such as SCUDs, multiple rocket launchers and mobile missile launchers.
To: rs79bm
Do you realise how many troops that is? Nonetheless, just the thought of that should tone-down North Korea's reterict. Not to mention the fact that it might take years to get them all there. This is a logistical nightmare.
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posted on
12/27/2002 4:32:00 PM PST
by
Mark17
To: Sparta
We're going to need about 100,000 in Iraq for occupation duty, most of the National Guard here at home for Homeland Security, 15,000 in Afghanistan, plus our Balkan deployments. We're screwed unless we restart the draft. Problem is, I think most of our young people will run for Mexico and Canada if the draft is restarted.
Actually, I disagree with you.
War in Korea would break out only if the North Koreans took an overt hostile act (consisting of a suprise attack of Main Force infantry and armor over the 38th Paralell-they have few ships worthy of the name and their air force is held together with bailing wire...)
If Plans calls for 690,000, then that means two things:
1. A complete reserve and National Guard callup.
2. Reinstitution of the draft.
The American people would accept this only if the North Koreans were stupid enough to attack and draw first blood. Which they would. They have more artillery tubes than you can shake a stick at and could lay down a barrage that could obliterate the Indianhead Division stationed at Camp Casey.
Trust me, we're not a nation of cowards. The only reason why we didn't reinstitute the draft now is because you don't fight shadow wars such as the one against Al Qaeda with massive conscript armies. Neither does one need a large conscript force to deal with Hussein's clown car force.
The North Koreans are a different matter. They make the North Vietnamese look like Girl Scouts. Case in point? The record of the ROK White Horse Division against the NVA and the VC back in the sixties. The Vietnamese did not want to be around when that unit was there.
We would need a draft. And the American people would respond. Being attacked will do that to you.
Be Seeing You,
Chris
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posted on
12/27/2002 4:50:07 PM PST
by
section9
To: rs79bm
I fully agree that the number 690,000 is ridiculous. Maybe the authors of the white paper thought that's the way we would wage war with a small country in a small area, but it doesn't make any sense in 2003.
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posted on
12/27/2002 4:58:57 PM PST
by
the_doc
To: RCW2001
Time to reinstate the draft.
To: section9
The idea of a draft EVER occuring in the US again is laughable. It was a waste of time to discuss it, before the 91 Gulf War and a waste of time now.
1) The Army doesn't WANT draftees. They've gotten used to a volunteer army, comprised of troops that WANT to be there. Contrary to what one might expect Army generals don't go to bed at night dreaming of getting their hands on draftees.
2) Given the highly technological nature of warfare now, you're looking at months and months of training, FAR longer training than for WWII, Korea, or Vietnam, for a soldier to even be moderately useful. By the time any were ready, any conceivable war on the Korean peninsula would be long, long, long over. The NKs aren't going to get any logistical support from Russia or the PRC, and no PRC hordes of troops to aid them.
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posted on
12/27/2002 5:41:35 PM PST
by
John H K
To: RCW2001
Just send over the S.A.C. B-52's!!!! It's Miller Time!!!!
To: LdSentinal
"50% of the population does not want to fight against our enemies."
During WWII the majority of the people were more than willing to fight the enemy. I wonder what has happened to our population since then. It is clear that a much smaller percentage of the population loves America today and is willing to fight to defend it from the enemy than it did 60 years ago. But why is that, in your opinion?
To: section9
The North Koreans are a different matter. They make the North Vietnamese look like Girl Scouts. Case in point? The record of the ROK White Horse Division against the NVA and the VC back in the sixties. The Vietnamese did not want to be around when that unit was there.
The White Horse Division, of course, was comprised of SOUTH Koreans. Considering you're extolling the fighting qualities of the SOUTH Koreans, who have a fair amount of technological superiority over the North Koreans, and that superiority is increasing every day, that argues that one would NOT need vast hordes of US troops to assist them.
From what I've seen from Korean War vets, other than that horrible initial period before Inchon when poorly-trained and unprepared US units were fed in piecemeal and horribly outnumbered versus North Korean forces, they were pretty unimpressed with the North Koreans compared with the Chinese Communists.
Also, when looking at the fighting record of fairly small forces (like the Turks in Korea, and the ROKs in Vietnam, etc.) Keep in mind that these countries, since they were sending such a small portion of their armies, were sending fairly elite forces; the peformance of these units, while a decent indication of the abilities of their respective armies, might be a bit misleading because the troops they sent were likely far better troops than the "average" forces in their armies.
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posted on
12/27/2002 5:49:20 PM PST
by
John H K
To: cynicom
We are asking German troops to guard our bases in Germany while we are awayLike VII Corp didn't return to Germany after GW I,
V Corp won't be returning to Germany after GW II.
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posted on
12/27/2002 5:51:17 PM PST
by
ASA Vet
To: ASA Vet
ASA...
Can you fill me in on that after GW1? No recall at all on that.
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posted on
12/27/2002 5:55:22 PM PST
by
cynicom
To: templar; All
It's really not about BIG OIL or just oil - it's about demographics.
Perhaps when Americans wake up, stop letting fear control their lives and admit the truth (if not on this forum at least to themselves and in private), then, and only then can we hope for survival.
Americans know the truth, but they have allowed their thought processes be taken over by PC.
Political Correctness is today responsible for producing thoughtless men who act like machines and instills fear of expression in their minds. It's a dangerous process that is conducive to an era of collective guilt, fear and mind control, a process that will ultimately alienate and dehumanize us and lead us to extinction.
Fear not to speak the truth, America. The turht will set you free.
Go ahead now. Excoriate and crucify me while I shed my tears.
To: John H K
REP. KIRK: "I'll leave you with a chilling thought. The IMF projects that the Chinese economy will be larger than the U.S. economy in the 2020s.
Quiz question: When's the last time the U.S. military fought a country with an economy larger than ours?
Answer: 1813. And that military marched into Washington and burned the Capitol down." "We are going to face a time at the end of your transformation in which China will have more resources at her command than the United States, and so this Asia focus, I think, cannot happen too quickly."
Fiscal 2003 Defense Budget Testimony House Armed Services Committee (transcript)
The above transcript also contains current troop strenth and armament info.
Testifying before congress on Feb. 6/2002 is Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Undersecretary Zakheim and also General Richard Myers.
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posted on
12/27/2002 6:13:31 PM PST
by
ALS
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