[river rat]

"...I don't mean to offend you, but we lost Vietnam."

"we"?

You got a mouse in your pocket?

WE, never lost a fire fight...
WE, never gave up a yard...
WE, never lost a position or the right of movement..
WE, took every damned piece of real estate we wanted, and held it for as long as we wanted it.
WE, owned the day and the night.
WE, won each and every time we fought.
WE, were winning when I left the country.
WE, came home -- Those that fought us, became worm food.

No - WE didn't lose... The F-Heads in Washington and the most trusted man in America, in partnership with the South and North Vietnamese lost that one -- NOT the grunts..

Semper Fi

[Sparta]

Exactly. If the US hadn't pulled out, the US would've probably won. After Tet, the US switched tactics and were FAR more effective against the NVA than anytime before Tet. The conduct of our politicians was horrendus and near treasonous.

BTW: Thank you for your service and I apologize if I offended you.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

i can remember in my childhood, my father was told "If you vote for Barry Goldwater, American boys will die in Vietnam". By God, they were right. Yea, WE lost that war. We put the politicians in office who appointed their technocrat cabinate members, and promoted lying about it by otherwise honorable commanders, and betrayed the 58,000+ who didn't come home. We allowed the communist b@$^@!%s motivate the anti-war protests that destroyed the moral of our troops and an entire generation. i can't blame Hackworth for being bitter about it, and making certain that the CRS never happens again. We can always learn.