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Who paid nearly $300,000 for a historic Bowie knife? A Dallasite – but he's not talking
The Dallas Morning News ^ | December 28, 2002 | By KIMBERLY DURNAN / Dallas Web Staff

Posted on 12/28/2002 1:54:30 AM PST by MeekOneGOP

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1 posted on 12/28/2002 1:54:31 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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2 posted on 12/28/2002 1:55:42 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: tarawa; Jagdgewehr; LibWhacker; Mark; Station 51; ofMagog; LibKill; Blue Screen of Death; VOA; ...
just fyi...
3 posted on 12/28/2002 1:58:51 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
Typical for a Texan to get it wrong about the Bowie knife. The first Bowie knife was made in Washington, Arkansas by James Black for James Bowie BEFORE the Texas Revolution. Most of the intitial planning for the liberation of Texas was done in Washington, ARKANSAS which was the meeting place for the leaders of the Revolution.

As for a personal choice and opinion, I would rather have an Arkansaw Toothpick over a Bowie in any knife fight. BUT, I might be just a little prejudiced, you think?
4 posted on 12/28/2002 5:38:41 AM PST by Arkansawyer
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To: Arkansawyer
The Clintons will forever stain the name of Arkansas. Do you think someone will pay $300,000 for the blue dress one day?
5 posted on 12/28/2002 5:57:38 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
Who know? There is always someone with more money than sense (or morals)!
6 posted on 12/28/2002 6:17:16 AM PST by Arkansawyer
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To: Arkansawyer
Arkansaw Toothpick

Is this what you're talking about?


7 posted on 12/28/2002 7:28:00 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Arkansawyer
Yep, Arkansas in the 1830's was the final staging area for part of my family before they made the final push to Texas. I am every so grateful that they made that final trip.
8 posted on 12/28/2002 7:41:17 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Arkansawyer
As for a personal choice and opinion, I would rather have an Arkansas Toothpick over a Bowie in any knife fight. BUT, I might be just a little prejudiced, you think.

Oh no. The Arkansas Toothpick, essentially an oversized double-edged dagger [or undersized variant of the Roman gladius Iberius shortsword] is an outstanding tool as a sentry removal implement [see also the similar if shorter Fairborn Commando knife, with a double-edged taperpoint blade of circa 7 inches] and nearly the ideal tool for the Italian school fencing techniques in which a shorter knife or sword was used in the left or *weak* hand while the primary sword or foil did it's work in the other, allowing patterns of both blocks and killing thrusts in tandem with the other blade, particularly useful against multiple opponents in a day in which firearms were almost always offered but a single shot.

Such use of a Arkansas Toothpick nowadays might be better accompanied by a cane or walkingstick, though some swordcanes offer an interesting possibility.

But the double-edged blade of an Arkie Toothpicker offers too much chance of sticking in bone, particularly the ribs, when used as a thrusting weapon, and the point can be vulnerable to breaking or bending if sideways flex is applied to the blade as a skewered opponent moves or drops unexpectedly. Too, many traditional Toothpick designs offer poor designs of handles or grips, and their blades are a bit light for a hacking stroke, though they'll do nicely to slash with. But you'll find all sorts of knife wound survivors who brag about their collection of scars requiring dozens of stitches to piece them back togather; you don't hear those sorts of claims from those who've taken a thrust through the heart, throat or eye.

The usual Bowie has a little more guard than I care for, but the clip-point blad is both strong and penetrates well with a solid thrust behind it. But my own experience and habits have resulted in my own preference for another older and more traditional cutting implement, whether as tool or weapon, and I've found versions ranging in price from $25 to $2500 to be equally suitable.

Now with one of them in my right hand and your toothpick in my left, I'd be an interesting and difficult opponent for most single adversaries, and against many two or three-person combinations. but I'd bet there were more Arkansaw Toothpicks at the Alamo fight or San Jacinto than Bowies, whether Black or Bowie family originals or copies thereof.

You ever seen the monograph on the use of edged weaponry for self-defense written by Cassius M. Clay of Kentucky? [not the prizefighter, the original 19th-Century plantation owner and statesman from whom the boxer's name was derived]He knew a thing or two about the subject....

Prejudiced on the subject? You bet. Experience offers the data worthy of consideration for judging such comparisons.


9 posted on 12/28/2002 8:47:39 AM PST by archy
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To: Arkansawyer
All that being said. I'd still rather live in Texas.
10 posted on 12/28/2002 8:50:07 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: MeeknMing
Just a guess... Ross Perot?
11 posted on 12/28/2002 8:50:43 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Larry Lucido
Arkansaw Toothpick

Is this what you're talking about?

That's a beautifully crafted modern version, though most of the period fighting tools were a good deal larger and longer- as were the Bowies of that time. Remember, their users were at times going up against mounted Mexican cavalry with sabers.


12 posted on 12/28/2002 8:57:43 AM PST by archy
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To: Republic of Texas
Just a guess... Ross Perot?

Nah, He'd be braggin'...and rightfully so. But I have a fair idea, based on the reference to the Ben McCullough Colt Dragoon pistol.

But I'd reckon the REAL holy grail would be any of the three known Bowies recovered from the Alamo, one of which is probably the James Black original. Of course the pair of .36 Colt Paterson revolvers owned by Nathan Bedford Forrest when he arrived in Texas as a youngster might be of particular interest as well....

13 posted on 12/28/2002 9:05:02 AM PST by archy
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To: Republic of Texas
Can you say...Ken Lay?
14 posted on 12/28/2002 9:06:35 AM PST by MarketR
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To: Arkansawyer
Interesting the discussion regarding the origin of the Bowie knife....... from the following article it's claimed to have been made in Louisiana... Makes for intrigue into it's history.....
Important evidence now settles the question of who made that first Bowie knife. “The first Bowie knife was made by myself in the parish of Avoyelles,” wrote Rezin Bowie went on to describe the knife.>

15 posted on 12/28/2002 9:27:21 AM PST by deport
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To: MarketR
It said a Dallasite. Besides, Mr. Lay is "broke", lol.
16 posted on 12/28/2002 9:32:24 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: archy
Who do you have in mind? Tom Hicks comes to mind.
17 posted on 12/28/2002 9:33:11 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Republic of Texas
All that being said. I'd still rather live in Texas.

With your cold, high winds in the winter, and extreme heat, compounded by your nasty humidity in the summer, I'm glad your there and not me :o

Texas is nice, but would *never* be in my top 5 choices.

18 posted on 12/28/2002 9:34:41 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: MeeknMing
SHAMELESS SELF PROMOTION BUMP

My pride and joy from my collection.




19 posted on 12/28/2002 10:10:53 AM PST by sinclair
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To: MeeknMing
O.J. Simpson is getting another divorce?

I did not know he had remarried.
20 posted on 12/28/2002 10:17:11 AM PST by Kay Soze
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