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To: cruiserman
"devices that launch TV satellites"

In the old days, they called those very same, identical "devices" Titan and Atlas missiles. I don't know if they've changed the name, now that they're attaching TV satellites to them, but if you did a nose count of all the Titan and Atlas-derived "devices" that are still in existence, today, most of them still have a nuke attached, inside the tapered part on top.

I haven't seen the movie and have no plans to, but this guy is spinning the same kind of "kiddie fable" he accuses Moore of... As if the difference in American and Canadian body counts is rendered moot by one nutjob in Montreal. Give me a friggin' break.

I'm not particularly pro- or anti- gun or NRA, but I have strong doubts about any real progress being made in reducing violent crime, as long as the focus of public debate is centered on the 2nd Amendment issues, and not on the actual people pulling all those actual triggers.

5 posted on 12/29/2002 7:16:43 PM PST by MoJoWork_n
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To: MoJoWork_n
... and not on the actual people pulling all those actual triggers.

At one time, since the dems wanted more gun control and the government was ignoring drug dealers and other riff raff that were openly using guns, the NRA thought it would be wise to demand the government stop passing gun control and start enforcing the laws on the books. For a single mili-second, it was a brilliant PR move. That is until the government continued to ignore street gangs and started to jail anyone with a restraining order and a gun. Now, anyone who gets a divorce, loses their gun collection. It was the opening the anti-gun crowd needed. They get to jail people who never broke a law before and gunowners who would never join the NRA anyway have an excuse not to.

6 posted on 12/29/2002 7:38:03 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: MoJoWork_n
No, Moore's whole point is that the factory was producing weapons, which led the children to think violent thoughts. I saw Bowling for Columbine, and what Tim Blair is saying is right.
8 posted on 12/29/2002 8:31:45 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: MoJoWork_n
but if you did a nose count of all the Titan and Atlas-derived "devices" that are still in existence, today,

You would find that none of them are in service as nuclear weapons delivery devices. The Atlas and Titan are both liquid fueled rockets; USAF,for very good reasons, withdrew all liquid fueled rockets from service years ago. Atlas was withdrawn from ICBM service in 1965. The Titan ICBM force was deactivated in 1987.

You're welcome.

9 posted on 12/29/2002 8:45:20 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: MoJoWork_n
but if you did a nose count of all the Titan and Atlas-derived "devices" that are still in existence, today, most of them still have a nuke attached, inside the tapered part on top.

I very much doubt that. Atlas and Titan are very old technology, and I believe (though am not absolutely certain) that those missles were phased out of the arsenal long ago. Being fueled by liquid propellants (usually involving liquid oxygen), they were much harder to keep on standby than solid fueled launch vehicles.

10 posted on 12/29/2002 8:47:31 PM PST by GSHastings
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To: MoJoWork_n; ArrogantBustard
Sounds like you know as much about missiles as you know about Hitler.
25 posted on 02/20/2003 12:40:32 AM PST by Bonaparte
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