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To: 2sheep; *Death Cultivation
To make this assertion stick, try extracting from your long list of sources the bits of evidence, one after the other, linked with pertinent commentary, that sustain your judgment.

As it stands now, your assertion is battling with competing perceptions to the contrary ("anglophiles? but I thought western thought is under attack") and with ostensibly benign declarations ("bespoil the earth? But they're environmentalists").

To counter those deceptions, you need to pry up your adversaries' facade to reveal the inner workings. Very many will deny the see anything in your revelations. But a few will see something, and perhaps that will lead them to become undeceived, and from them will come their influence's rippling effect.

But to get it started, you need to extract some stuff from that long list (of course, with the links), adding your thinking on how it's applicable, and not just present the raw links.

And try to be concise and on point. Don't try to battle all the junk being tossed up at once. Most of it, frequently the most obvious, is just chaff to distract and spend the fire of opponents like you. So try to stick to what you know to be substantive. You only need to reveal a few flaws in the adversaries propaganda for you to make inroads and establish a beachhead. Against Leviathan, many such inroads amount to major successes. Just take your patience faith and summon the drive to do this extra bit.

At *Death Cultivation is a whole litany of threads with evidence of the intent to kill large numbers. There is the explicit quote by Jacques Cousteau which lauds the evil intent as a good and which was applauded. There's Mugabe's interior minister declaring that country's ecomomic policy is patterned upon Stalin's starvation of the Ukraine. There was Stalin himself, lauded by many in the west, the earliest fifth columnists. There's the encouragement of lifestyles that reverse societies' old paradigm that encouraged population growth, many of which don't just prevent pregnancies, but kill babies and adults both in large numbers.

Now I know there are quite a few people, even here at FR, who already know of, and concede, this evidence, and who see the truth of your last assertion, but who apparently think it is okay in the long run. They're already hooked into believing "We just have got to limit human population growth somehow." The propaganda has claimed them.

So contemplate the terrain. The depth of the double-think on this, and the unthinking (in many cases) bigotry underlying it, is a very real obstacle. It will require a major battle of words to reawaken personal morality so you can drive the home how intrinsically evil you know the thinking to be there. I believe PC thought suppression has done incredible damage here. Making it PC to equate all cultures, and verbotten to demonstrate how JudeoChristian western thought overcame its own shortcomings to the betterment and prosperity of all humanity, was a trick that screams out for despoiling.

But, as you keep pointing out, the deceptions greet the student at many levels and turns. Finding a way to combat their demoralizing effect needs the undespoiled God-based message be put in the words that are understandable by the deceived.

The deceivers twisted the original, you need to find ways to untwist them. Cutting up the deceptions is, allegorically, how Alexander came to power. Try cutting through the weak links you know and the deceptions stand a good chance of unraveling themselves.

47 posted on 12/31/2002 11:43:32 AM PST by Avoiding_Sulla
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To: Avoiding_Sulla; Stavka2; Thinkin' Gal; babylonian; Prodigal Daughter
>The depth of the double-think on this, and the unthinking (in many cases) bigotry underlying it, is a very real obstacle. It will require a major battle of words to reawaken personal morality so you can drive the home how intrinsically evil you know the thinking to be there.

Indeed, the lack of personal morality and love for one's neighbor is sin, and that is the root of the problem.  (Note to Stavka2, hog feces in the drinking water is a judgment of G-d for sin just as those hundreds of bodies laying unburied at the crematory in Florida or wherever it was.  That is a fairly dramatic attention grabber.  "Attention: this is your G~d.  Anybody listening?  Anybody remember my instructions, my commandments to love your neighbor as yourself???")

>I believe PC thought suppression has done incredible damage here.

Agreed.

>Making it PC to equate all cultures, ***[an absurdity]*** and verbotten to demonstrate how JudeoChristian western thought overcame its own shortcomings[?]*** to the betterment and prosperity of all humanity, was a trick that screams out for despoiling.

What shortcomings?

Ps 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Yeshua and his disciples confirmed this.

Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Ro 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rather than being intrinsically good, the natural man desires rebellion, sin and wickedness rather than the truth, love, honor and peace which surround people who love and obey the One true G-d of Israel and keep His commandments.  Any shortcomings have always been the fault of mankind, not of G-d.

It is not only the unchurched who hate their neighbors (e.g. raise so many hogs the ground water gets polluted) but the churched apostate Christians who are no more than secular humanists and think they can do anything they like.

That is the problem, Stavka2, sin, and government won't solve the sin problem.  In fact, looking to any government for a solution to a such is idolatry!  For any nominally Christian nation to be brought back now would require widescale repentance and this is not happening, in the U.K. (where there are something like 900+ churches that have been converted to mosques) nor in the U.S. nor anywhere else as far as I can see.

History will now repeat.  G~d will bring increasingly harsh judgments to the western nations.

The Bible says they will give heed to seducing spirits...will not endure sound doctrine...and because they love not THE TRUTH, will be given over to believe a lie.  DO YOU BELIEVE THAT?

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, **giving heed to seducing spirits,** and doctrines of devils;.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when **they will not endure sound doctrine;** but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; **because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.** 11 And for **this cause** God shall send them **strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:** 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

We are witnessing that now.  Nearly the whole nation is given over **by God** to believe one lie or another...whether government is good or Bush is good or Homeland Security is good or that Muslims are good and Jews/Christians are bad or whatever.  Truth is not *mental*...it/he/Jesus is *spiritual* -- Jesus said so..."The words I speak are *spirit* and they are life."  He was the "word made flesh" and dwelt among us and "his own knew him not."  Now, most who say they are Christians "know him not" and are like those in the days of Noah who knew not until the flood came and took them away.

Mt 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 ***And knew not** until the flood came, and **took them all away;** so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

48 posted on 12/31/2002 7:16:38 PM PST by 2sheep
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