Nashville, TN: Carjackers Surprised By Victim With Gun

News 5 Nashville ^ | 12/30/02 | staff

[archy]

Clearing a house or a room is probably one of the most difficult tasks that a lone individual can face.

Depends on how many grenades you have and how many rooms need clearing.

If I have to handle that little task in my own home, one of my first stops will be the photo darkroom where I keep the Sodium Thiosulphate and a few other chemicals, with which I'll fumigate the place before going room-to-room; I'm not in a hurry.

Those without photo supplies aroiund could make do nicely with a couple of gallons of ammonia, a six-gallon bucket and a couple more gallons of household chlorine bleach. A dozen or so housewives manage to accidentally kill themselves with that combination every year, no reason a couple of housebreakers or waiting burglers can't be added to those statistics.

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[archy]

I really like my old .30 carbine. In younger days I dropped deer with that rifle using 110 grain hollow points. I found it as good as the venerable old .30-30 for deer in the NH woods where 100 yards was a long shot. Light and reliable it did the job for years.

A GI carbine beats any 9mm machinepistol for closeup work, and only the lack of a decent-feeding jacketed hollowpoint bullet of the Black Talon/Hydra-Shok/Golden Sabre sort to make it a near-ideal choice for such use- and its muzzle flash at night is pretty spectacular with some loads.

But nevertheless, it remains the choice for the Israeli Mishmar Israchi Ma'shaz armed police reservists, and though they're running out of M1 carbines for theat force, they've obtained a modified Israeli Galil design Ma'Gal rifle in the same caliber, also using the carbine's magazines, as ideal for their purpose. And many of Israel's kibbutz armories still include U.S. carbines in their racks, lighter and with longer range than the common Israeli Uzi SMG.

The M1 carbine has been the choice of knowledgable users for some 60 years now, and is still going strong. And that little 110-grain bullet it pushes is coming from a cartridge meant to be used in a 16-inch barrel, unlike some *tactical rifles* whose ballistic performance suffers dreadfully when used in shorty carbine versions of the rifles they were originally designed for.

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[yarddog]

That combination you mention, really is dangerous.

A couple of years ago, a man was doing some slight remodeling on our house. While talking with him he mentioned that his wife died from using ammonia and bleach as a cleaning agent.

[Mark17]

No, good guys 2, bad guys 0. "The one suspect that was shot was wanting to get money to bail out a friend or a relative." Not only was a violent criminal killed, but another likely kindred spirit remained in jail.

No, good guys 3, bad guys 0. The article says they caught the other car jacker too.

[harpseal]

Depends on how many grenades you have and how many rooms need clearing.

Hey if a gobblin does wind up dying from such a chem mixture then the lawsuit against the homeowner will be even bigger than if it had merely been a justifiable shootiung. The tort lawyers will have a field day. Of course the homeowner might get lucky and they will go after the deep pockets of the bleach and amonia makers.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[bc2]

only if it's a pistol can you be ticketed for not having a liscense. NOT INCLUDING NEW YORK CITY where I am not familiar with the laws but I believe you need a liscense to even posses a shotgun or rifle!!!

here in beautiful (somewhat more free) Upstate, if you break into a home you are probably going to find yourself staring down the business end of a 12 guage.

Pistol laws here are stupid: you have to have a CCW permit before you can even POSSES a pistol legally, let alone carry concealed. New Hampshire is slightly better, their laws only call for a permit to carry concealed, you do not need a liscense to posses a pistol in your home or place of business.

Vermont has the best laws, with any adult being allowed to posses and carry, open or concealed, any firearm they choose.

[Charles Martel]

...a lot of guns have a "melted" look to them so the sharp edges are taken off. The person who invented that idea should be shot. The only areas that should be de-horned are the places that give the shooter trouble like the bells and whistles. There's not reason to take a beautiful new gun and turn it into something that looks like a relic that was sandblasted.

Yeah, I'm no fan of that "melted" look, either. I reckon bad things can result when someone has a Dremel tool and too much free time! ;-)

With apologies to Gary Jeter and the gang over at the FAL Files message board. Now those folks know how to wield a Dremel!

[Shooter 2.5]

I'm going to keep that image on my hard drive. I think I know a couple of backyard gun mechanics who would appreciate it.

This is my theory of how the melted look about. It happened when an employee saw all the scrap frames and slides and thought they could salvage them.

The guy was probably presented with a suggestion award that paid off his house.

A Civil War Re-enactor showed his "relic". I left shaking my head because the fool didn't understand that he was protraying someone a hundred and twenty five years ago. Why would he have a revolver that already looked a hundred years old?

[coloradan]

You are correct. 3 - 0.

[cavtrooper21]

For a Gov. that will sign the bill into LAW! But with the 'crat we have in office now, we'll be waiting another 5 years.... Heck, she even wants to make possesion of a hi-cap mag against the law! She learned her trade at the feet of Hillary, and is a tried and true Clintonista. Won her office promoting her education plans, social programs etc. To be paid for with funds that aren't there (surprise!) Just another free thinking socialist.
Sorry, didn't mean to rant.

[Shooter 2.5]

You don't need a state government to sign it to law. The State Constitution says that your lack of any CCW law like Vermont's is unconstitutional. All it takes is one person such as the ones in Ohio to contest the law. Do a study of what Ohio is doing and you'll understand.

The courts in Kansas can demand the state begin a "Vermont Law" and all it takes is one person to file the suit.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Having searched a few buildings and houses over the years I got to appreciate having a good dog.

I hated going into a building or house without a dog. Your right, if you use a light you have to be very careful, move slowly and only use the light when you have to.

Quick war story. Some rats broke into a guys house who died. I didn't have a dog and had to enter the house the way they did, by climbing through the front door. I found myself in the kitchen and took a couple steps forward. I looked to my right and there was a guy crouching next to the stove. If he had a gun he could have easily shot me. They were tearing out the copper plumbing in the basement.

The deceased homeowners .25 auto was laying on the living room floor. Glad they hadn't found it.

From my experience, I'd say move slowly, let your eyes adjust and listen. If you have to use a light maybe crouch down and hold the light up high, that way if the bad guy shoots he might shoot high, as I understand most people have a tendency to do.

If it's not imperative I wouldn't move at all until I was certain of the bad guys location, let him make the mistakes. Be careful when moving through hallways, stairwells etc. And don't get backlit by windows. You guys know all that.

A good dog is hard to beat. I have a .30 carbine that I can attach a bayonet to. :-)

The Marine Corps gave me an appreciation of bayonets.

[Travis McGee]

Good tips! I wish I did have a dog for some things, but overall I can't fit them into my life. If I ever settle on one piece of land, I'd get a couple of dobies.

[yarddog]

I don't keep a dog in the house but in the country, everyone, at least in this area, has (if you will pardon the expression) a Yarddog.

Often just plain mutts make good ones. They can live off scraps and what they find, plus a little dogfood. The one I have now is a real jewel. She is friendly and playful but when needed can be mean. I watched her kill a large coon one night and I was very impressed. She has a little bull dog in her and she literally clamped down on the large coon's neck and held on for around 15 minutes straight.

I always know when someone comes up and she will not let a stranger in the house. She somehow senses relatives and is friendly to them.

As to home invaders, I don't make any elaborate plans as I don't expect anyone to get inside. Just in case, I do keep a loaded Browning HP beside the bed on my side. In the room I also keep an asagi spear mostly because I like it. I also keep a Winchester defender, usually loaded with oo buckshot, although sometimes I think a different load is better and for awhile I might use high brass BB shot, or even # 4's, I also see some merit in the smaller buckshot. I would prefer a Remington 870 but the Winchester was a great buy and is reliable. The shotgun is really more for outside emergencies as the pistol is much handier inside.

When all is said and done their is nothing better than a good dog for both warning and protection. Well, maybe nothing except a good gun.

I have never had to enter a house to hunt someone but have done some surveilance and have a couple of good "war stories" to tell, although by war stories I don't really mean "war" stories.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Oh, after your initial search, go back and do a very detailed search. These rats can squeeze themselves into very small hiding spaces like cupboards, dryers, etc.

It's surprising where they can hide when they are very motivated.

A pair of dobies are hard to beat. Short haired dogs are a little easier to take care of.

When I was in K-9 we took our dogs home with us. Both of my dogs would sit and look out the door. They'd fire up when people would walk down the sidewalk in front of the house. Alot of the rats in the area would actually cross the street a few doors down from my house because they were afraid of the dog. And all the neighbors loved them.

[yarddog]

Sometimes I try to put myself in the position of a criminal, (not too hard an act my wife says).

The things I fear the most, the things which make me uneasy, are mean dogs and swords.

I was once in a gun shop and a customer and his wife were handling a quality reproduction sword. The guy turned to me and sort of jokingly drew the sword back. I told him politely but firmly that he made me nervous and to please not do that. As a matter of fact he scared the dickens out of me. The fact that the guy was a little weird probably contributed to the sensation.

I know most people probably don't share the same fears as me, but still I think that is one of the reasons I keep several swords, spears, and a dog for protection, as well as guns.

[Cap'n Crunch]

I was on a call once, a guy commited suicide with one of those short samurai swords. Stabbed himself right through the heart with it.

I'll tell you what is nasty is one of those razor tipped hunting arrows. They make nasty wounds.