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Students Face Discipline For Offering Bible Message
Boston Globe ^ | 1/1/03 | Michele Kurtz

Posted on 01/01/2003 8:23:17 AM PST by marshmallow

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:08:54 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Guillermo
"The ACLU would be defending the students if they had of been passing out Mohammedan literature, or "environmental" literature, pro abortion literature, etc."

Of course, they would argue that those things are part of the "approved" curriculum.

61 posted on 01/01/2003 12:19:54 PM PST by EdReform
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To: marshmallow
Several Westfield High School students who handed out candy canes with religious note to their classmates the week before Christmas are bracing for possible suspension from school after they return from winter break tomorrow.

This ain't right.

When I was a kid you had to get caught with dope or a gun to get suspended. Where are the principal's brain cells?

62 posted on 01/01/2003 12:36:23 PM PST by LibKill
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To: marshmallow
They should get other kids to hand out candy with some innocuous message such as, "Don't forget to brush your teeth," printed on it. Then see if the school disciplines them. My guess is that, as long as there is no Christian message, then distributing candy with a message would not be a problem.
63 posted on 01/01/2003 12:50:06 PM PST by redheadtoo
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To: DouglasKC; Hebrews 11:6
Christians are called by Romans 13 to obey civil authorities except where the laws contradict God's laws; as Jesus said, give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's. This tension between evangelism and obedience to law, both of which God commands, is easily resolved: hand out the candy canes out on the sidewalk. Don't be a scofflaw and thereby bring Jesus into disrepute.

The primary civil authority here is "We the People of the United States of America." "We" have guaranteed those teenagers' freedom of speech. No government institution (public school) has the right to keep them from participating in the free market of ideas, provided they were not disrupting education or abusing speech, which they were not.

64 posted on 01/01/2003 1:04:23 PM PST by unspun
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
case in point.
65 posted on 01/01/2003 1:11:00 PM PST by MarMema
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To: DouglasKC
According to your logic, African-American Chrsitians should not have opposed Jim Crow Laws in the Old South.
66 posted on 01/01/2003 1:14:38 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: Agamemnon
Either you simply don't appreciate or know what are your own Contituionally protected rights, or you are just another typical uninformed wuss.

What a sanctimonious twit you come off as.

(Since you decided to start name-calling and informing posters of what they do and do not know).

67 posted on 01/01/2003 2:36:32 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Old Professer
while their critics disagree with their belief...

Can you document this assertion?

68 posted on 01/01/2003 2:37:51 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: E.G.C.
fighting atheist educrats

Can you document who the atheists are in this story?

69 posted on 01/01/2003 2:40:27 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: frnewsjunkie
I've been a Christian longer than you've been born. (:>)
If so, why do you disregard His commands?

We are not to live by the letter of the law of the Old Testament. Jesus came... New Testament... all that kind of thing?
I'm quoting from Romans, which is NT. What Bible do you have?

70 posted on 01/01/2003 3:39:31 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6
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To: DouglasKC
Excellent post...

Thanks to Him. Your view, however, appears to be in the minority. LOL

71 posted on 01/01/2003 3:40:38 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6
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To: marshmallow
Religion is for churches, not public schools.
72 posted on 01/01/2003 3:48:05 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Freebird Forever
A clever distinction based on secular, statist legalese.
Here's a holy, dynamic spiritual response: Baloney.

Do you, for a minute, believe that the author of Hebrews 11:6 (or better yet, the One who sent him forth) would have foregone an opportunity to make disciples on account of such a regulation?
A fallacious argument. Do you, for a minute, believe that He ever contradicts Himself? So that when He commands us to obey the civil authorities He then disobeys them when it is not necessary from God's perspective to do so? The point is that here it was not only unnecessary but counterproductive in that it brings Christ into disrepute.

Personally, if ever faced with a similar situation, I hope to err on the side of God's will.
There we diverge. You maintain their disobedience furthered God's will to evangelize. I say it did the reverse, and it violated His will as expressed in Romans 13 and elsewhere.

73 posted on 01/01/2003 3:48:05 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6
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To: frnewsjunkie
Romans = New Testament.
74 posted on 01/01/2003 3:49:04 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6
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To: Hebrews 11:6
You change the subject blithely.

I didn't change the subject. You responded to my post "You will learn what we want you to learn and nothing else ..." So that was the subject.

Constitutionally, the only place any lines can be drawn are to ban all literature, as this district apparently has done, or to bar it on a case-by-case basis when it disrupts learning, which is far more subjective and permits idealogues to ban everything, such as Christian outreach materials, with which they disagree.

Yes, free speech can be an unpleasant thing. An institution of LEARNING that suppresses ALL speech, as you apparently support, is doomed to fail in its purpose. It becomes an institution of INDOCTRINATION instead.

75 posted on 01/01/2003 3:50:05 PM PST by gitmo
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To: Agamemnon
OK, the limp wrists have now spoken...People with your sensibiliites never engage themselves in the fight or defend their freedoms aggressively...Of course, when the victory is won you'll be the first to take the credit too, I suspect. Never stuck your neck out for anything, while the kids took a stand and faced the heat...Either you simply don't appreciate or know what are your own Contituionally protected rights, or you are just another typical uninformed wuss. Those kids won't need support from those in your ranks, because they are lightyears ahead of you in active demonstration of meaningful leadership quailties.

You presume much too much. You have no idea, do you, where I have stood up for my Lord? Your personal judgmental attacks on my character, as I quoted above, are completely out-of-line. Do you pretend to be a Christian? Then act like one.

Unless and until you do, I will not dignify your post with a response, although I have responded to every other who has challenged my posts.

76 posted on 01/01/2003 3:56:26 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6
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To: gitmo
May God bless you. Happy New Year!
77 posted on 01/01/2003 3:57:27 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6
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To: RoseofTexas
Grabowski, who describes himself as a born-again Christian and co-leader of the school's Bible Club,

To me this line right here proves all of you wrong. Apparently the school has no problems with Christians, and this is not a one-sided prosecution of rules.

The school obviously allows a Bible Club, so if they had no rule about non-school related material being distributed, they wouldn't make one up for this group.

These students admittedly broke the rules, in which they were aware of, and should be punished.

I tell my son over and over again, just because you don't like a rule, or a law doesn't mean you have the right to break it. You have every right in the world to try and change it, but you don't have a right to break it.

These children should have gone to the school board, and petitioned a change, thats the democratic way, instead they went outside the rules and broke them, so they should be punished.

I have great respect for these students beliefs, and I hope and pray they retain them later in life, but they must do so "legally".

Also honestly, how many of you would have been responding the same way if this story was about the "Peace Club" handing out anti-war literature?

Think about it and have a Happy New Year!!!

78 posted on 01/01/2003 4:24:27 PM PST by codercpc
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To: Agamemnon
Yawn.
80 posted on 01/01/2003 6:58:12 PM PST by cyncooper
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