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We don’t need no steenking 2nd Amendment
backwoodshome.com ^ | 1999 | John Silveira

Posted on 01/01/2003 5:54:07 PM PST by SJackson

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To: viaveritasvita
Well, I guess the admiral was refering to what we later called "Mutually assured destruction", or MAD.

The part about Alas Babylon I loved the best was the old black preacher who would rant to his congegration about the great Babylon's destruction, meaning this mordern world, or even this country. I still get chills when I read Revelation chapter 18, especially in reference to this country. "10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come." Everything seems to fit, to me. Also, I was stationed at Cheyenne Mountain (NORAD underground command center), Colorado when I first read the book, and the stuff we did there certainly made the whole story realistic. I love the end of the world genre: the Stand, The Earth Abides, The Omega Man, and Alas Babylon.

41 posted on 01/01/2003 9:24:18 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: viaveritasvita
I found this for you:

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. As pilot of an F-105 aircraft, Lt. Col. Thorsness was on a surface-to-air missile suppression mission over North Vietnam. Lt. Col. Thorsness and his wingman attacked and silenced a surface-to-air missile site with air-to-ground missiles, and then destroyed a second surface-to-air missile site with bombs. In the attack on the second missile site, Lt. Col. Thorsness' wingman was shot down by intensive antiaircraft fire, and the 2 crewmembers abandoned their aircraft. Lt. Col. Thorsness circled the descending parachutes to keep the crewmembers in sight and relay their position to the Search and Rescue Center. During this maneuver, a MIG-17 was sighted in the area. Lt. Col. Thorsness immediately initiated an attack and destroyed the MIG. Because his aircraft was low on fuel, he was forced to depart the area in search of a tanker. Upon being advised that 2 helicopters were orbiting over the downed crew's position and that there were hostile MlGs in the area posing a serious threat to the helicopters, Lt. Col. Thorsness, despite his low fuel condition, decided to return alone through a hostile environment of surface-to-air missile and antiaircraft defenses to the downed crew's position. As he approached the area, he spotted 4 MIG-17 aircraft and immediately initiated an attack on the MlGs, damaging 1 and driving the others away from the rescue scene. When it became apparent that an aircraft in the area was critically low on fuel and the crew would have to abandon the aircraft unless they could reach a tanker, Lt. Col. Thorsness, although critically short on fuel himself, helped to avert further possible loss of life and a friendly aircraft by recovering at a forward operating base, thus allowing the aircraft in emergency fuel condition to refuel safely. Lt. Col. Thorsness' extraordinary heroism, self_sacrifice, and personal bravery involving conspicuous risk of life were in the highest traditions of the military service, and have reflected great credit upon himself and the U.S. Air Force.

42 posted on 01/01/2003 9:27:59 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!
I've not read The Omega Man or The Earth Abides, but will put them on my book list. The Stand was excellent, altho I no longer enjoy King as much as I once did. I'm pretty sure I've read others in the "end genre," but I'm hard put to name them right now. Also, there were a few TV movies, but none that even came close to Alas Babylon. I no longer own a TV, so don't know if there have been any since 911. Re-reading Alas Babylon last week, I can say it had as much an impact on me as it did when I read it years ago and time seems not to have lessened the reality of it (except maybe the technical military stuff). The only criticism I can muster up is that it fell short on developing the role of Christianity in rebuilding the nation.

Thank you for the Scripture -- it IS chilling. As a student of the Bible, I'm humbled that the Lord saw fit to answer my prayers for discernment.

Our beautiful, blessed nation, this "shining city on a hill," is in deep deep trouble, and I don't see the ship of state being re-directed to its roots.

I kind of thought maybe the admiral was dissing the whole MAD thang -- it almost seemed anti-American, which didn't fit with the rest of the story, but then again I never thought the balance of power was such a great idea for maintaining world peace either. I seem to recall Pres. Reagan making a statement about future wars being conducted on a small scale, in isolated areas (or something like that).
43 posted on 01/01/2003 10:03:22 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: Alas Babylon!
This was a very nice thing for you to do for me and I thank you kindly! I had tears in my eyes reading about Col. Thorsness -- Leo, as I was privileged to call him -- I never knew about this; I only knew that he'd been a POW (in the infamous Hanoi Hilton, I believe) -- sometimes, the guys (all the board members were combat Vets) would talk about Leo's time spent there (six years, I seem to recall) -- I heard some truly horrible things; the phrase "man's inhumanity to man" is an understatement. He was (and hopefully still is!) a very nice man. His wife, Gaylee, was a joy, too. Her story of not knowing whether Leo was dead or alive, yet believing with all her heart that he would return to her was, at once, heart-breaking and joyous -- a real tribute to their Christian faith. I think she ultimately found out he was alive and a POW by a video that was released by the enemy.

Anyway, this brought back good memories of a time spent with military folks who renewed my faith in America.

By the way, can you give me the authors' names of Omega Man and Earth Abides?

Again, thank you so much!
44 posted on 01/01/2003 10:16:42 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: SJackson
thought it was worth reading again for the New Year.

... and an excellent read it was, thank you.

45 posted on 01/02/2003 5:54:53 AM PST by TheRightGuy
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To: Alas Babylon!
Bill of Rights and CONSTITUTIONAL RESTORATION bump. Happy New Year.
46 posted on 01/02/2003 11:35:40 AM PST by dcwusmc
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To: koax
Sad but true. Some seem to believe that Rights derive from FedGov and can be abridged as FedGov deems proper. Some seem to believe that ONLY the rights listed are protected. Some believe both of the above. They are totally at odds with the Founders and refuse to understand that concept.
47 posted on 01/02/2003 11:44:10 AM PST by dcwusmc
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To: SJackson
Bookmarked
48 posted on 01/02/2003 12:06:10 PM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: SJackson
Bookmarked
49 posted on 01/02/2003 12:07:03 PM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: SJackson
“What do you need a gun for?”

Alas, the words of the great majority of the fence-sitters, let alone the active antis. The ignorance of the general population regarding the nature of our government and the meaning of "rights" is truly astounding. It will be the death of our country.

“Take it a step further. If the government passed a law tomorrow that said we didn’t have the right to free speech, or the right to free worship, or freedom of the press, would those rights no longer exist, or would they be simply denied? If the Constitution is amended depriving us of our rights, do those rights cease to exist?”

This is the only kind of reasoning that seems to shake the ignorant out of their self-induced slumber. Not pro-gun statements by the Founders, not statistics about how guns reduce crime, not certified historical (and present-day) examples of registration leading to confiscation leading (in all too many cases) to genocide - no, you have to show these morons what a simple shift of the target puts their "favorite right" on the chopping block. Tell someone that identical logic to that of the gun-grabbers will result in their books or right to worship being taken away, and they suddenly wake up. At least those with a few neurons functioning - the rest are truly hopeless.

Thanks for the re-post. I wasn't on FR in '99, so now I've seen a real classic. I've bookmarked it, and will send copies to every anti or fence-sitter on my email list.

50 posted on 01/02/2003 1:17:12 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr
Re-BUMP
51 posted on 01/02/2003 4:26:26 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: SJackson
Bump for later reading. Looks like a great research thread.
52 posted on 01/02/2003 6:22:10 PM PST by Salem
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To: SJackson
The "Backwoods" understanding of Rights and teh Constitution is wiser and more intelligent than the urbane one.
53 posted on 01/02/2003 6:28:55 PM PST by bvw
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To: SJackson
Re-bump.

Someone needs to forward this to Feinswine.
54 posted on 02/05/2004 3:27:30 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr; *bang_list; dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; ...
Re-bump....Someone needs to forward this to Feinswine.

You're right, it's worth bumping again.

If by feinswine you mean the fine Senator from California, she knows all about the benefits of being armed. Like most dems, she's an elitist, her rights are more right than everyone elses rights.

"Because less than twenty years ago I was the target of a terrorist group...I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms...I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me."
Senator Dianne Feinstein

55 posted on 02/05/2004 4:30:08 PM PST by SJackson (Visit http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: SJackson; MeekOneGOP; JackelopeBreeder; Marine Inspector; F16Fighter; B4Ranch
“I said the 2nd Amendment isn’t about the National Guard. The Bill of Rights was adopted in 1791. The act that created the National Guard wasn’t enacted until 1903.”

2nd Amendment designed for the citizen militia BUMP.

56 posted on 02/05/2004 4:50:45 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Ancesthntr
"The ignorance of the general population regarding the nature of our government and the meaning of "rights" is truly astounding. It will be the death of our country."

Of all things that I see on FR today, ignorance of our government is certainly the most popular.

57 posted on 02/05/2004 7:32:59 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: SJackson
2ND AMENDMENT BUMP!!


58 posted on 02/06/2004 5:33:50 AM PST by BayouCoyote
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To: SJackson
"Because less than twenty years ago I was the target of a terrorist group...I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms...I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me." Senator Dianne Feinstein

Gee, she sounds an awful lot like a pro-gunner...now "all" that we need to do is overcome whatever deep-rooted psychological problem she has that prevents her from empathizing with other people who many feel the same way. She is a-social, obviously having no concern at all for others if she can so callously dismiss everyone else's right to defense of self, family and liberty. I, for one, am not holding my breath that she will ever overcome this problem - she's too old and her head is too f'd up.

59 posted on 02/06/2004 7:07:45 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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