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Felipe, U.S. Marine: "Now I can earn my citizenship."
Wall St Journal ^ | 1-02-03 | DAVID ASMAN

Posted on 01/02/2003 7:03:41 AM PST by SJackson

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:47:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NEW YORK -- Three years ago, on the night of his 19th birthday, my wife and daughter and I took my stepson to dinner. The restaurant was one of Manhattan's best. But none of us at the dinner remember even tasting the food. This was not just a birthday celebration. Felipe had decided about a month earlier that he was going to quit college to join the Marines. The very next day he was heading off to boot camp. Dinner went down hard that night.


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1 posted on 01/02/2003 7:03:41 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Mr. Asman

Is that with double s? :-)

2 posted on 01/02/2003 7:09:24 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: SJackson
And those among us who would deny immigrants the opportunity to join in our good fortune should ask whether they have earned their citizenship with as much grit and passion as this 22-year old Marine corporal.

The Journal just had to get this dig in, even if it has to use this brave young man to do it.

The 9/11 crew of murderers were immigrants too, Mr. Asman. And many Americans, both native and foreign-born, think it makes sense to be very careful about who let into our country - that we should separate the Felipes from the Mohammed Attas, rather than let just anyone cross our borders indiscriminately.

3 posted on 01/02/2003 7:12:19 AM PST by wideawake
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To: SJackson
They do not make them any better than that young marine!!!
4 posted on 01/02/2003 7:12:47 AM PST by cpdiii
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To: wideawake
And many Americans, both native and foreign-born, think it makes sense to be very careful about who let into our country - that we should separate the Felipes from the Mohammed Attas, rather than let just anyone cross our borders indiscriminately.

Thank you for so eloquently stating my own thoughts.
5 posted on 01/02/2003 7:14:23 AM PST by Bigg Red
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To: SJackson
Ur-rah! Semper Fi!

Great post!

Bump!
6 posted on 01/02/2003 7:17:36 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: SJackson
That young man has earned his citizenship. The people here illegally should be given the bum's rush.
7 posted on 01/02/2003 7:17:51 AM PST by Mike Darancette
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To: SJackson
Thanks for posting this article. What a neat young man that when INS screws up the paperwork, he goes out joins the Marines and earns his citizenship.
8 posted on 01/02/2003 7:20:21 AM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: philosofy123
If your comment (#2) means what I think it does, your lack of class is showing!
9 posted on 01/02/2003 7:21:12 AM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom
Just be thankful philosofy123 didn't call this young Marine a war criminal for serving in the US military.
10 posted on 01/02/2003 7:22:47 AM PST by wideawake
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To: SJackson
He's certainly a better type than those moochers demanding their free college while they most likely never registered with the draft as required by law and this type should be getting citizenship ahead of all those who come only for the money or welfare.
11 posted on 01/02/2003 7:24:48 AM PST by FITZ
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To: philosofy123
Is that with double s? :-)

Probably not, considering that he said this:
But to paraphrase Felipe, we're all in it together now. Neutrality is not an option when all those who favor freedom have been targeted. I'm just glad Felipe realized freedom was something worth fighting for three years ago.

12 posted on 01/02/2003 7:28:30 AM PST by aruanan
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To: philosofy123
David Asman is very proud of his stepson, and even got into it with Charlie Rangel about how only the poor are serving in the Armed Forces. Mr. Rangel had egg on his face when he finally realized that Asman was telling the truth.

I am very proud of all of our military, and I think this is an excellent article.

13 posted on 01/02/2003 7:30:29 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: SJackson
A very good article about a very brave Marine. Let's not forget, guys 'n gals, that we are all descendants of immigrants. And our own immigrant relatives no doubt received vicious slurs from those whose parents had immigrated the generation before. This, unfortunately, seems to be human nature.

I think there are definitely things wrong with our immigration policies, and the INS is a hopelessly messed-up agency. But the solution does not lie in hating immigrants and unrealistically wishing for a country without immigrants. Truthfully, I'd suspect that most of our worst domestic social problems are caused by people born and bred right here in the US.
14 posted on 01/02/2003 7:36:52 AM PST by livius
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To: wideawake
The Journal just had to get this dig in, even if it has to use this brave young man to do it….The 9/11 crew of murderers were immigrants too, Mr. Asman. And many Americans, both native and foreign-born, think it makes sense to be very careful about who let into our country - that we should separate the Felipes from the Mohammed Attas, rather than let just anyone cross our borders indiscriminately.

Note the authors comments:

I had brought Felipe and his mother to the U.S. from Nicaragua in 1988. Because of enormous snafus with the INS, Felipe had turned 18 without having his papers for citizenship approved. The INS had misplaced documents that had been sent to them two years earlier by my wife.

Our first priority should be securing our borders. But the INS is a mess from top to bottom. As I understand it, 15 of the 19 hijackers shouldn’t have been given visas, but they knew they system.

Felipe, here legally and attempting to become a citizen, apparently has endured years of frustration following the rules.

15 posted on 01/02/2003 7:55:03 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
"I'm willing to make the full sacrifice if I have to."

This is a young man who is worthy of citizenship, probably more so than some who were born here.
It is individuals such as this young man that I welcome into our land. Those who are allowed to sneak in, dishonor him and his sacrifice. His attiude is also superb, when INS lost his documentation, he took lemons and made lemonade.
16 posted on 01/02/2003 8:06:46 AM PST by Crusader21stCentury
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To: SJackson
Would that more of our young men (and women) could be like Felipe... It's people like this who form the spine of our country.
17 posted on 01/02/2003 8:07:12 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: SJackson
From Today in History http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/today/jan02.html

A little USMC history tie-in with Nicaragua

Coincidentally, on January 2, 1933, the Marines left Nicaragua after an extended stay.

Semper Fi

From the Halls of Montezuma

Group of sixty to seventy Marines at attention, Nicaragua
Group of Sixty to Seventy Marines at Attention,
Nicaragua,
between 1927-1929.
Prints and Photographs Division
LC-USZ62-99697
(negative of lantern slide)

On January 2, 1933, the United States Marines Corps withdrew from Nicaragua. It trained and left behind a powerful National Guard in a country beset by struggle between liberal and conservative forces centered respectively in the cities of León and Grenada.

Founded by the Spanish in the early 1550s, the two cities became competing poles of power. Their militant rivalry often left Nicaragua subject to outside interests even after the country gained independence from Spain in the early 1800s.

British and U.S. interests in Nicaragua grew during the mid-1800s because of its strategic importance as a transit route across the Central American isthmus. With the advent of the California gold rush, Nicaragua proved a popular interoceanic shortcut. Cornelius Vanderbilt's steamship company transported supplies and prospectors from the Atlantic, along Nicaragua's San Juan River, then across Lake Nicaragua to the Pacific.

John M. Letts wrote of his 1849 travels through Nicaragua:

. . . arrived at Lake Leon. The appearance of this lake as it opened to our view was peculiarly striking. It is shut in by lofty mountains, which tower up in innumerable peaks of volcanic origin . . . the smoke curls gracefully out, commingling with the clouds . . .
We passed along down to Mat[e]ares, a small town situated on an eminence overlooking the lake, and inhabited by descendants of the African race. We breakfasted on chickens, frijoles, tortillos[sic], eggs . . . and after an hour's detention started for Managua. We passed through a delightful region of country, the soil, in many places, highly cultivated, bearing the impress of thrift and industry, I had not before seen in the country. Fruits grow in abundance, cattle had an unlimited range, and were the finest I ever saw; the country was broken, the mountains towering up to the clouds, and some covered with perpetual snow; but at their base were vales watered by mountain rivulets, and shaded by groves of orange and fig, seeming a retreat fit for the angels.

John M. Letts,
California Illustrated; Including a Description of the Panama and Nicaragua Routes,
pages 153-154.
California As I Saw It: First Person Narratives, 1849-1900

John Hill Wheeler United States Minister to Nicaragua, half-length portrait, three-quarters to left
John Hill Wheeler,
United States Minister to Nicaragua,
studio of Mathew Brady, photographer,
between 1844 and 1860.
America's First Look at the Daguerreotypes, 1839-1862

In 1856, at the invitation of Nicaraguan liberals, a Tennessee filibuster named William Walker invaded Nicaragua with a small armed force and the hope of extending the southern U.S. slave culture overseas. He enjoyed initial success, however, when he presumed to establish himself as president of Nicaragua, Walker was routed by the joint efforts of Nicaragua's opposing political factions, Vanderbilt's steamship company, the British government, and other Central American republics. Walker narrowly escaped their capture only to surrender himself to the U.S. Navy the following year.

In 1897, President William McKinley appointed the Nicaragua Canal [Walker] Commission to reexamine the logistics of a canal route through the Isthmus of Nicaragua. The commission estimated the cost of construction at $118,113,790 not including interest and administration. However, when Nicaragua's President Zelaya invited both Germany and Japan to compete with the United States for construction rights, the U.S. built through Panama instead.

Beginning in 1904, President Theodore Roosevelt framed the Big Stick Policy to forward U. S. interests and to restrict European influence in the Americas. In 1909 this corollary to the Monroe Doctrine impacted Nicaragua. Responding to the execution of two of its citizens, the U.S. landed four-hundred marines on Nicaragua's shore. In a 1912 effort to retain power, conservative forces requested aid and the U.S. landed 2,700 marines. Thereafter, the U.S. maintained a presence in Nicaragua almost continually until 1933.


18 posted on 01/02/2003 8:29:21 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: SJackson
And those among us who would deny immigrants the opportunity to join in our good fortune should ask whether they have earned their citizenship with as much grit and passion as this 22-year old Marine corporal. In the days of an all-volunteer military, not bloody likely.

Why yes I have (USMC, Desert Shield/Storm 90/91), so the author can take this little dig and shove it up its arse.

19 posted on 01/02/2003 8:35:57 AM PST by Centurion2000
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To: dd5339; cavtrooper21
USMC ping!
20 posted on 01/02/2003 8:48:40 AM PST by Vic3O3
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To: NormsRevenge
Also today in history...from my new WWII desk calendar:

On this day in 1942, the Japanese army occupies Manila in the Philippines. After just twenty-seven days of fighting, all of Luzon Island is under Japanese control.

21 posted on 01/02/2003 8:48:57 AM PST by mass55th
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To: mass55th
61 years ago today .. Thanks.

An excerpt from http://www.acepilots.com/usmc/hist3.html Nicaragua

In Nicaragua, the guerrilla-type warfare gave aviation its first opportunity to provide a form of close air support to Marines in combat, In 1927, a civil war led to American intervention. Following were years of sporadic bush fighting which continued until 1932. Observation Squadron One from San Diego and Observation Squadron Four from Quantico, constituted the Marine Aviation support for the brigade. The Nicaraguan deployment produced some notable achievements by Marine Aviation, precursors of what was to become the Marine air-ground team standard of future decades.

In Jan. 1927, 8 officers and 81 enlisted men of VO-1M, led by Maj. Ross Rowell, arrived at Corinto, Nicaragua with six DH's. Amidst the anarchy of the civil and banditry, the U.S. Marines held the railroad. In July the Sandinista rebels (the original ones) besieged 37 Marines at the Ocotal garrison, 125 miles from Manaagua. Patrolling Marine pilots, Lt. Hayne Boyden and Gunner Micahel Wodarczyk, discovered the defenders' plight. After they reported this to Maj. Rowell, he led five DH's to bomb the rebels. From 1,500 feet, they conducted one of the first dive bombing missions, killing dozens of Sandinistas. Rowell and his fliers flew 50 missions against the Nicaraguan guerrillas.
22 posted on 01/02/2003 9:07:21 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: SJackson
Bump.
23 posted on 01/02/2003 9:16:58 AM PST by k2blader
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To: All
Semper Fi!
24 posted on 01/02/2003 10:52:44 AM PST by devildogO341
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To: philosofy123; SJackson; hchutch; Howlin; rdb3; Sabertooth; Southack; JohnHuang2
Is that with double s? :-)

Why do you ask? Because he shoots down the question that you and so many of your friends are fond of asking (Will you send your child into war)?

David Asman obviously gets it. Freedom is what we (and yes, I said we - because we are all in this thing together) are fighting for. Too bad so many folks don't feel the price is worth it.

25 posted on 01/02/2003 12:45:03 PM PST by mhking
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To: mhking
Indeed.
26 posted on 01/02/2003 12:51:22 PM PST by Southack
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To: wideawake; mhking; Poohbah; Miss Marple; daviddennis; Luis Gonzalez
Quite frankly, sometimes the "immigration reform" crowd asks for digs like that, particularly with a lot of the comments you see on some of the immigration threads. I happen to believe that a lot of the folks who want to come here and who do come here believe in the American dream and cherish and love freedom.

Quite frankly, a lot of folks on the right are underestimating immigrants. And it's a big mistake, IMO. What was the term President Bush used to describe low expectations?
27 posted on 01/02/2003 12:56:47 PM PST by hchutch
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To: mhking
Right. And the US Soldier who was buried here last week, the most recent KIA from Afghan, was Dominican. His cousin, a Marine home on leave, told the world that the soldier knew what he was doing when he re-upped last year. How many of those xenophobic posters on these threads have any family members on active duty in combat units? This family had at least two.
28 posted on 01/02/2003 1:10:32 PM PST by wtc911
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To: hchutch
Quite frankly, a lot of folks on the right are underestimating immigrants. And it's a big mistake, IMO. What was the term President Bush used to describe low expectations?

Oh, please.

I live in Queens, NY which has probably the largest number of new immigrants than any other county in the US and the largest number of different home countries than any other immigrant community in the US.

If the INS were any good, I can think of hundreds of people in my neighborhood who would be right back on the plane home. The amount of people committing insurance fraud alone is staggering.

Perhaps in the insulated world of suburban Virginia unchecked immigration produces only sweetly-smiling young George Washingtons.

For those of us who actually live in the heart of it, it's decidedly a mixed blessing.

29 posted on 01/02/2003 1:15:52 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Tell that to David Asman.

If you want to paint with a broad brush, FINE. But don't complain or go "oh, please" when someone like me deicdes to call you on it.
30 posted on 01/02/2003 1:33:08 PM PST by hchutch
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To: hchutch
If you want to paint with a broad brush, FINE. But don't complain or go "oh, please" when someone like me deicdes to call you on it.

When did I paint with a broad brush?

Did you even read my post?

31 posted on 01/02/2003 1:57:59 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Your comment "insulated world of suburban Virginia" was a biggie on that front.

I go to church with some folks who are probably immigrants - I've never asked, it's their business, not mine. In my experience, many of them appear to be decent people. When I go to a Chinese restaurant near where I live, there are folks there, too. Probably immigrants or the children of immigrants running a small business.
32 posted on 01/02/2003 2:12:55 PM PST by hchutch
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To: mhking
That is what I call subtle assault and battery.

Knock out, bruh!

33 posted on 01/02/2003 4:42:06 PM PST by rdb3
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To: mhking
The freedom to get on a plane or into a building without having to be strip searched is gone. That is the freedom that I want to fight for. To restore our freedom, we must close our boarders to MOSLEMS. As simple as that! Straight out discrimination, or self preservation, if you are a Moslem, you will NEVER get a green card. You may come in as a student, but only after writing an assay saying that you do not approve of militant Islam!

Mr. Bush and his “neocon” advisors took the easy way out. Instead of confronting ISLAM head on, he went to pick on a dead horse. Yes, he may be able to drop bombs on Iraq, but what is new? We have been doing that for ten years.

For some reason the White House advisors have confused Moslem Terrorists with Saddam? First focus on Bin Laden! Get his head on a stick, then get the rest of the worthless militant Moslems including, Abu Sayyaf, Qaddafi, The Sudan Junta, Lots of Pakistanis, Indonesians, Chechnyians, Egyptians, Yemenis, Saudis.....The list goes on and on. Saddam is no way on top of the Militant Islamic Fanatics list.

34 posted on 01/03/2003 5:56:59 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
The freedom to get on a plane or into a building without having to be strip searched is gone. That is the freedom that I want to fight for.

And when you get done fighting, then go ahead and make sure that's put into the Constitution. Those rights are not guaranteed to you.

You may come in as a student, but only after writing an assay saying that you do not approve of militant Islam!

Of course, it's OK to deal with the religious exclusion of the Constitution though. Make up your mind. Which way do you want it? Kill a "freedom" that is not enumerated in the Constitution or one that is directly noted in the Constitution? And if you do go after religion, then where do you stop?

I'm no fan of militant Islam. And as opposed to dealing with it that way, how about defining for them what they haven't defined. Militant Islam in general and Al Qaeda in particular (along with Abu Sayyef, Hamas and the other groups) are nation-states. By defining them as such, we are free to make war upon them under relations between nations.

Some may say that I've read too much science fiction, but let's face it. We're living in "the future." Corporate and organizational entities are virtual nations and nation-states. Let's treat them as such. It will certainly allow us to declare and wage war appropriately - and without all the mitigating bull squeeze that you and your friends have continually come upw with.

Get his head on a stick, then get the rest of the worthless militant Moslems including, Abu Sayyaf, Qaddafi, The Sudan Junta, Lots of Pakistanis, Indonesians, Chechnyians, Egyptians, Yemenis, Saudis.....The list goes on and on.

You seem to forget that there must be a starting point. And that things must proceed in an orderly fashion. Dead horse? There'll be plenty of dead horses if Saddam can finish his nefarious plans to develop WMD and start giving them to the more elusive elements out there. How would you like a more successful Richard Reid who has a portable nuke or a vial of plague as opposed to Nike's new Air Plastique 2003 shoe on?

As for the others you mention, let's get real. If Qaddafi or the Paks or the Egyptians were in the on deck circle instead of Iraq, you'd be whining just as loudly about Saddam. You - along with the rest of the leftists - aren't satisfied unless you're beating up on the Administration.

I'm not going to say that they're perfect - far from it. Strip-searching 85 year-old grandparents (like mine, for example) who are trying to fly from Chicago to Baltimore for Thanksgiving dinner is not the way to win friends and influence people. And it certainly isn't the way to catch the bad guys - all of whom look more like Apu on the Simpsons than Clara Peller or Fred Sanford.

And finally, as for Bin Laden, it's pretty hard to put so much pink vapor on a stick for the world to see; not to mention just as hard to produce a body. You sound like someone who's read too many comic books: "Ra's Al Ghul can't be dead, because there's no body. He got away and is relaxing in his Lazarus Pit waiting for another chance to strike out against Batman."

This is simple. Get done with the first job before us: Saddam. Eliminate his avenue of trade with the terrorists. Then go after the others, whether it's Abu Sayyaf, the House of Saud, the Yemeni Cartel, the Colombians, Indonesians or anyone else for that matter. I'm certain there's a game plan. And like the fans of any of the football teams playing this weekend, you do not need to know what that game plan is. You, like the bad guys, will find out what it is in the fullness of time.

35 posted on 01/03/2003 6:44:39 AM PST by mhking
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To: mhking
the fullness of time

The fullness of time is right now. Osama, Mullah Omar, Dr. El Zawahiri, Abu Sayyaf,.... Get busy producing heads on sticks. Get busy finger printing all these Moslem SOBs in this country. Get busy closing, and guarding our boarders. Get busy recruiting and training thousands of Arabic speaking spies that should infiltrate the fifth column of Moslems in this country. Leave that stupid dictator on the back burner until we finish the real immediate problem that we have on our hand. We, and he know damn well that we can drop bombs on him anytime we feel like it. That should be the end of our policy toward Iraq. If we don’t have success getting Osama in the middle of caves, how do you imagine we are going to be successful getting Saddam in the middle of cities of millions of hate filled people.

36 posted on 01/03/2003 7:23:21 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Get busy recruiting and training thousands of Arabic speaking spies that should infiltrate the fifth column of Moslems in this country.

That matter may be a little difficult when you've vilified all of them, and scared them into not wanting to even talk to the government.

Leave that stupid dictator on the back burner until we finish the real immediate problem that we have on our hand.

Saddam is the immediate problem. Let's say we follow your faulted logic. What do we do, drop everything that we've already set in motion to follow your own game plan? I'm sorry, but the field generals and coaches that are already in place are not doing the worst job in the world with the gamebook they are playing with. And no, you don't have a "right" to look at the gamebook while the game is in progress, home team fan or otherwise.

We, and he know damn well that we can drop bombs on him anytime we feel like it. That should be the end of our policy toward Iraq.

So we should let him go ahead and produce nasty weapons to give to the bad guys so they can strike us while we're in the midst of catching them? Sorry - I don't think that's the best way to go.

If we don’t have success getting Osama in the middle of caves, how do you imagine we are going to be successful getting Saddam in the middle of cities of millions of hate filled people.

Sorry to tell you this, but we got Osama. Osama's dead. It's a little difficult to produce a body that's been atomized into so much pink vapor mixed with cave rock. He's not Dr. Doom or Magneto. He won't come back to fight The Fantastic Four or the Justice League after building himself an exoskeleton or some other such comic book rot to contain his "powers and life essence."

37 posted on 01/03/2003 7:57:59 AM PST by mhking
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To: mhking
Sorry to tell you this, but we got Osama. Osama's dead. It's a little difficult to produce a body that's been atomized into so much pink vapor mixed with cave rock.

I wish you were correct, but our Pentagon just announced last month that the hate tape sent by Osama was the real Osama's voice. You may dream about our success all you want, however, the facts are 1) Osama, Dr. Zawahiri, Mullah Omar, Abu Sayyaf, Qadafi, the Saudi money flow, the Egyptian underground Islamic movement, The Pakistanis Militants, The Yemenis/Afghanis/Somalis/Sudanese Moslem warlords are all in business. The only success we had so far is to relocate the Taliban; that is hardly the results that would be worth pounding my chest with pride over. We are the greatest and only superpower, and yet we are unable to ask Saudi Arabia to stop the money flow that is funding this hate. Unless, and until our leadership recognize that the Moslem fanatic movement is hate movement cultivated by many Moslem states. Yes, again the government of many Moslem states are up to their ears in plotting against us, and we are simply playing diplomatic game with them. I wish Bush would take the same hard line he is taking against Saddam with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Chechnya, Uzbekistan, Lybia,

38 posted on 01/03/2003 8:25:21 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Keep on grasping. The Pentagon said that it was Osama, then quickly backpedaled. Bottom line is that if he were still around, he's such a glory hound that he'd make sure we knew it. The ol' nyah-nyah line and all.

You don't want to go to war - you think that any aggressive moves we make are wrong. Your comments have shown that in the past. If it was the Saudis or Indonesia or Pakistan or France, you'd be screaming from the rooftops about how bad it was.

Let's face it. You have no desire to see us go after our enemies, no matter who they are. Your only concern is to close the borders and turn the US into a Monroe Doctrinesque society, all to ourselves, and the rest of the planet be damned - even if they decide to come into our homes against us.

Go fiddle, Nero. The rest of us will make sure that Rome doesn't burn.

39 posted on 01/03/2003 8:40:23 AM PST by mhking
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To: mhking
You think that I don’t want us to go to war. That is too far from the truth. I wanted us to fight and kill the Moslem terrorists, every where they live or hide. In the US, in Europe, and in the slums of the Moslem nations. Below are some of my posts that will give you an idea about what is my views on Iraq.

With our absolute control of Afghanistan, Yemen, and Kuwait, did we change the hearts of the militant jihadists? The first opportunity for our military wondering outside of their armed camp, they get shot at, and suffer casualties. The simple reason that we have 25 million dollars price on Osama bin Laden, and we are unable to get him, is because his Islamic appeals to his fellows Moslems is more stronger then the infidel's 25 millions. They hide him, and protect him. DO I think that Saddam may have a similar scheme and a similar cooperation from the Tekriti villigers? You damn right he will! So how are the poor US soldiers going to go door to door looking for him? Well, just like the Israelis did in Ramallah, they opened tapped doors, and got killed. Then they learn, and blown the house with kids in it, and got blasted for being savages all over the world media? Our aims here of killing a Dictator that have been in power for that many years, and has a large network of bunkers, and escape plans is very misguided. Our best hope is for one of his security people killing him, other wise, we are going to have a big dangerous job.

You know, the only reason we are not dumping on N. Korea is because we are concerned about them killing some S. Koreans and Japanese. How is it that we don't care about the lives of the Jews? Or a better question how is it that militant Jewish leaders don't care about the death of their own people en mass in this unprovoked attack on a mad man, Saddam? The way I see it, we have already scared the sh#t out of him, at this point, we MUST not place him in a corner where he has no option but take as many people with him. We should open a window of opportunity for a negotiated deal. The negotiation must be allowed to be led by nonbelligerent party like the UN, Germany, Japan, Australia,....The SOB has been in his box for ten years, why poking at a hornet nest? Yes political leaders have gas masks and better protection than the rest of the population. The testosterone of these leaders also play a factor in playing this game of death. Evil leaders like Kim, Saddam, the Sudanese strongman, Qaddafi, ….need to be confronted and dislodged, but not to the extent of mass hysteria, or door to door search.

Isolating these tyrants works. In addition to helping the opposition may work. Yes we have been doing just that for decades against Castro, and he held on. But also if we pushed him into a corner like we are planning to do with Saddam, he may cause lots of unnecessary killings too. At the end, which is better having this communist piece of sh#it ruling this Island all these years without the devastation of massive killings, or bombing the infrastructure of that island, and going door to door looking for bearded bum. May be women in positions of power are better for us since they don’t have this testosterone problem?

All these Washington "Talking Heads", are doing a disservice to the US. Our State Department is an occupied territory of influence peddlers! The White House advisors are mostly ignorant jerks! How difficult is it to tell the stupid king of this stinking desert: LOOK, IF YOU PROSELYTE IN OUR PRISONS, YOU MUST ALLOW US TO DO THE SAME IN YOUR COUNTRY. IF YOU WANT US TO RESPECT THE WAY YOU DRESS, YOU MUST RESPECT THE WAY WE DRESS, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD MOSQUES ALL OVER OUR COUNTRY, YOU MUST LET US BUILD CHURCHES, AND SYNIGOGUES ALL OVER MECCA. Now, is that too unfair? or too difficult a concept for the White House or the State Department to come up with? WE can also say, if you do not agree, we will demolish all the Mosques that used any Saudi funds!

These losers destroyed the WTC, causing our economy to suffer a trillion dollar loss or more, and when we asked for fingerprinting visitors, they immediately retaliated saying WE WILL ASK THE AMERICANS TO BE FINGERPRINTED! Now for more than thirty years these ragheads have been building mosques and proselytizing in our cities openly, one administration after the other, and no one ever thought of approaching them with the concept of a TWO WAY STREET!

Ross Perot said once, and I am going to say it again, I wish we had politicians that say to the foreigners: "I am not for sale at ANY PRICE!!"

Robert Strauss, got two millions to help these losers soften their image? He does not care if his country goes to hell, as long as he got some money? Where is our media? They should pounding on Bob Strauss doors calling him TRAITOR, they should be pounding on Kissinger's door, and George Mitchell's door demanding to know who they work for, and shame them as traitors! If I was in president, on Sept 12/2001,

I would have taking over Saudi Arabia, throw all these ragheads in prison, and pump free oil untill I get one trillion dollars worth, then I would leave that stinking desert to some democratically elected government. You can't cause us to lose one trillion dollars, and we are the strongest nation on earth, and we just simply take it the a##, because you paid some influence peddlers in Washington a few million dollars to lobby for your crown!!

40 posted on 01/03/2003 10:27:29 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
You obviously don't understand Saddam's part in all of this. You don't seem to understand that his bankroll is as thick as the House of Saud. You also don't seem to understand that a meglomaniac like that doesn't get scared. Otherwise, he would have caved by now under the pressure.

You also don't seem to understand that he's tied to AQ and Hamas and the other terror organizations. He's behind a fair amount of their tech. Where do you think they can find an open air market to buy and sell weapons, the South Bronx?

Let the coaches coach. They've got a game plan. Among other things, this will weaken the Saudis.

And another thing - you talk about poking a hornet's nest, North Korea has the third largest standing army on the planet and they're all sitting a few miles north of the DMZ!

Worrying about SK & Japan? Damn right! Let's not forget one billion Chinese just a short hop away. Israel can take care of itself. SK can't. And Japan is hamstrung by accords tied to the end of WWII.

Let's be honest here. You keep pointing to ol' Muammar over in Tripoli. Hell, there's less evidence pointing at him than at Saddam! You either don't want a war at all, or you're so wrapped up in trying to play Monday morning quaterback on Friday that you don't want to let the coaches and players get in the game and win it!

We're misguided? Please. The road to victory leads through Baghdad and Saddam. Then we can turn our attention to the others. Let's deal with Saddam, now, before he gets mobile nuclear capability and starts peddling WMD off to the highest bidder (i.e., Al Qaeda).

If we go after the others first, we may knock down two or three of 'em, and then have Saddam staring us in the face in three years with four nukes sitting on boats in Miami Beach ready to go. No, I'd much rather deal with him today, thank you very much.

41 posted on 01/03/2003 10:48:02 AM PST by mhking
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To: SJackson
if Felipe is an example of the typical Marine then I think we have ourselves a fine bunch of Marines.
42 posted on 01/03/2003 10:57:29 AM PST by BaBaStooey
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To: mhking
I give up! OK, let us kill Saddam! My point was not Saddam deserves death or not. My point was Saddam is insignificant in the big picture of Islamic terror worldwide. It is orchestrated by heads of Moslem states. Bush, and his state department are failing to recognize that. Our reaction to 9/11 is still not satisfactory as far as curbing INS visas to Saudis, and other worthless Moslems. But, if it pleases you to kill that dictator first, be my guest. We still have to deal with Osama, El Zawahiri, Omar, Sayyaf,.....
43 posted on 01/03/2003 11:15:25 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
We still have to deal with Osama, El Zawahiri, Omar, Sayyaf,.....

Osama's dead. The others have reservations in Hell. We have but to provide the transportation.

44 posted on 01/03/2003 11:21:06 AM PST by mhking
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To: wideawake
The writer's "dig" was directed toward those that deliberately confuse legal and illegal immigration. And unless you believe the writer was referring to illegal immigration, it looks like his "dig" was directed at you.
45 posted on 01/03/2003 11:37:26 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Legal immigration is conducted nowadays mostly through random lotteries and family reunification - not on the basis of the dedication and gifts that the new immigrant will bring to the US.

We can afford to separate the Felipes of the world from those less worthy of the name of US citizen.

His dig was directed at those who think, contradicting the WSJ editorial page, that uncontrolled, random immigration is an outdated policy.

46 posted on 01/03/2003 11:56:38 AM PST by wideawake
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To: nutmeg; kristinn; Jimmy Valentine's brother; BufordP; FreeTheHostages; Angelwood; Gore_ War_ Vet; ..
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47 posted on 01/07/2003 12:07:40 AM PST by tgslTakoma
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To: tgslTakoma
Felipe sounds like one hard-charging "Devil Dog," like yours truly during the Gulf War. As far as I'm concerned, he's earned his citizenship to these United States. As for all the anti-American, anti-freedom, communist sympathizing pukes & punks living here in these United States, I suggest that they go survive in "Nuclear Korea." Maybe Kim Jong Il's military forces (NKPA) can use these "comrades" as human mine sweepers in the DMZ. That'll be a real show to watch from the South Korean side of the DMZ.
48 posted on 01/07/2003 6:58:01 PM PST by DarthRaven
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To: SJackson
Semper Fi bump
49 posted on 01/07/2003 7:04:34 PM PST by fnord
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