State GPS Tracking Your Mileage and Your Movements

CNSNews.com ^ | 01/02/2003 | Marc Morano

[EBUCK]

No, all you did was belittle the fear that our state is overrunning our freedoms...something you are salivating for. And why, because someone that believes that liberty is the ultimate goal, regardless of the issue at hand, posted it.

And I don't need you to mention your loyalties/opinions on every thread, since over the course of my time here you have proven yourself the ultimate statist...the second to last of the boot-licking tribe to not be banned (KC being the other).

EBUCK

[RnMomof7]

"I don't think Americans are ready to be subjected to that type of civil liberties intrusion," Edwards explained, "where government tracks them around wherever they drive."

Sure all Bush has to do is go on TV and tell the sheeple it is to protect them from terriorism..and they will let him do anything. Go on follow me, read my mail, read my email..do on body search my wife..search my car, ask for my papers..go on anything you want.

It is like taking candy from a baby..read FR. Once hardened government watchdogs and defenders of the constitution are licking his boots

[EBUCK]

They want you to think that fuel efficient cars are creating havoc within the state budget...not the case but that's their story..

EBUCK

[The Mayor]

I don't see why the government sector also cannot continue to improve its productivity

and when did this happen? The gov't is always on the search for new revenues, who are they trying to kid....

[Myrddin]

Wrong again. GPS uses CDMA coding. The signal level is far below detectable levels. To recover the signal, you postulate one of N different chipping patterns of PN noise known to be used by a GPS satellite. If you know where you are and what time it is, you can select a PN sequence that corresponds to satellite in view. You must then generate that sequence and sum it with the signal from the antenna. The generate PN sequence is retarded by a bit time and the summed signal compared. When both are in sync, you can recover the satellite data. This first level is "chip sync". You must next "bit sync" to get the 50 bps data modulation. Next you need to achieve "frame sync". Once you have frame sync, you start consuming the data stream, parsing the data and doing something useful.

The prior comments apply to the C/A (coarse) channel. The military uses an encrypted PN sequence with a fairly long period (7 day repeat sequence if I recall correctly). That PN sequence is known, but you can't lock to it unless you have the crypto key to modify the PN sequence in real time to recover the data. The encrypted channel runs at 10 times the speed (on the same carrier frequency). The faster rate helps things like ICBMs and supersonic jet aircraft recover the data at a usable rate.

The 1.57542 GHz signal travels in a straight line. There is little atmospheric refraction. Any transmitter you build will affect only receivers that are "line of sight" to your location.

[nightdriver]

"I don't think Americans are ready to be subjected to that type of civil liberties intrusion," Edwards explained, "where government tracks them around wherever they drive."

I dunno. Oregon elected the bee esser from Hope - both times.

They may just go for this.

[EBUCK]

I know it....we won (or so we think) and loyalty is instant, absolute, and unbending...

That's what 40 years of getting beaten will do.

EBUCK

[Reaganwuzthebest]

What are the people in Oregon saying about this idea, local talk shows etc.? Are they scoffing at this Jim Whitty character or what?

[hattend]

And everytime I hear an On-Star advertisement, I cringe.

It would never be an option I would want. I've driven 30 years without having somebody magically unlock my doors when I left the key inside or have somebody read a road map for me.

If they make it mandatory, I'll be getting older cars from that point on. Can the used car dealers afford to install one in each car on the lot? I doubt it. There is going to be too much resistance to this to be feasible...unless they sneak them in.

[Henrietta]

You said it! And the sad thing is that most govt apologists on this forum are men...or at least they used to be men before they gave their gonads over to the government.

[RnMomof7]

Bingo!

[isthisnickcool]

Odd that this does not mention the "pay for auto insurance by the mile" idea some of the politicos have had the past few years.

How many ways could this be defeated? Hard to count all of them.

Wanna buy some wire cutters?

[EBUCK]

So what about the parity...what is the initiation (handshake) signal xmitting at?

Couldn't a multi-directional antenna be used to blanket an area at the propper freq?

EBUCK

[Gorzaloon]

Yeah, this has possibilities *way* beyond mere "road-use tax" calculations. Just as the red-light cameras harvest money for those specific moving violations, this gear would be used to rat out speeders and mail computer-generated tickets. RoboCop incarnate.

It looks like you have hit on it!!!

There was an issue in the news about a rental car company doing exactly that...and levying fines to customers who sped!!!

[wcbtinman]

"It may be coming sooner rather than later."

Sooner. The commercial vehicles in this country are under attack by the DOT to install "black boxes" in order to monitor location, speed, idle time, driver hours of service, origin points etc. The stated purpose of this is road safety. It appears that this system will be a reality in less than 3 years.

Once this system is set up, then the transition to private passenger cars is inevitable.

[RnMomof7]

I know but I think we bought a pig in a poke

[EBUCK]

I don't watch the talk shows nor the local news so I wouldn't know what kind of reception he's getting.

EBUCK

[Bernard]

... So do FBI files ...

[Myrddin]

A GPS can simply log information. My Garmin GPS V gives me elapsed time, elapsed mileage, time moving, time stopped, ETA to destination. It also has a full map of North American streets (base map). The data in that unit is visible to nobody else but the user. I can take such a unit and "zero" the trip meter each time you start the car. Your current "state" becomes the target location in memory for accumulating your elapsed mileage. The GPS receiver is constantly calculating your position as you move and updating the elapsed distance since the last "fix". It can maintain a clean stream of fixes at velocities up to 93 miles per hour. That's good enough for this application. Again, all you want to collect in this application is elapsed mileage on public roads within a given state.

I've been building telematics apps for Detrioit for the last 18 months. This one is dirt simple.

[Jhoffa_]

Must be someone who stands to gain from it financially.

That was my first thought also, maybe someone in insurance.

I mean, who would most benefit from gps (and possibly accelerometer) data like this?

Insurance and the NWO types..