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On a trip? Feds want the details
New York Daily News ^
| 1/04/03
Posted on 01/04/2003 1:41:36 AM PST by kattracks
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posted on
01/04/2003 1:41:36 AM PST
by
kattracks
To: kattracks
This WILL TURN INTO an insideously, hideous avenue of great abuse of freedom and honorable citizens under the globalist world government.
It's interesting that the ACLU supports it. That should be warning enough!
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posted on
01/04/2003 2:31:21 AM PST
by
Quix
To: kattracks
This is nothing new,this is already being done.The government has been tracking us for some time now,again,nothing new.
To: kattracks
Gee, do ya' think these requirements might be applied to NON-CITIZENS?
This is a bad joke or a bad dream at the very least.
To: sarcasm
"The government wants detailed information about every person who enters or leaves the country by plane or boat, and for the first time would require U.S. citizens to fill out forms detailing their comings and goings."
To: kattracks
U.S. Customs has always asked these questions.
Sounds like another "mountain out of a molehill" to me.
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posted on
01/04/2003 2:51:02 AM PST
by
ppaul
To: eastforker
"This is nothing new,this is already being done.The government has been tracking us for some time now,again,nothing new."
Not making fun of your post but the ironically hilarous part of this is the fact that the private sector has been doing this more efficiently for target marketing which is another example of proving that once the govt gets involved in something most of the time it will be a *%&$#*f*ck.
All the while we continue to enslave ourselves with our tax contributions, apathy and consumerism.
To: kattracks
The proposal requires passengers arriving or departing, as well as crew members, to provide name, date of birth, citizenship, sex.......
Even the Feds know how f**king stupid its employees are.
To: Uncle Bill
Thanks Uncle Bill. The key here is the article says this applies to AMERICAN CITIZENS and not non-citizens. WTF is going on, over?
To: Looking4Truth
Yeah,but the private sector can't bust your door down in the middle of the night and ogle your naked wife while they are questioning you.
To: Looking4Truth
I believe you misunderstand the statement. ALL travellers will be required to provide the information, INCLUDING US citizens.
Since we have US citizens involved with al Qaeda (Buffalo cell, Portland cell) and those people have travelled to AFGHANISTAN, I don't see any way you could avoid NOT asking for this information if you are trying to keep track of people like that. I agree that it is something we have never had to do before, but I don't understand another way to track people who leave the country for nefarious purposes. We don't have enough FBI agents to tail everyone who is suspicious, and this method would flag suspicious people through a computer data base as they leave the country.
If someone has a better idea I am willing to entertain it.
To: Miss Marple
Thanks for the clarification. I'm PWT (posting without thinking) somewhat since I can't stop refreshing the forum and finding yet another topic of interest when I should have been asleep hours ago.
To: eastforker
"Yeah,but the private sector can't bust your door down in the middle of the night and ogle your naked wife while they are questioning you."
Agreed on that point. A different issue that also contributes to the 'this is some kind of bad dream' syndrome that I sometimes experience after learning certain things.
To: Looking4Truth
Just a note of reflection,don't look too hard or too deep,in respect of your namesake.I think there is already a casefile in my namesake.
To: Looking4Truth
To: kattracks
In the near term, we can be resonably assured that nearly ALL of the high ranking terrorists trained in bin Laden's camps are of Arab race, language, and origin.
They're not going to sneak in a fundamentalist Japanese or Mexican.
Profiling is common sense.
To: The Raven
Jose Padilla was Hispanic. John walker Lindh and Richard Reid are Caucasian, a native-born American and a native-born Brit. The members of the Portland cell, with the exception of one member, were black native-born Americans.
I don't think it's safe to assume that profiling will necessarily help. Certainly the higher percentage of al Qaeda trainees are Arabs, but a smart terrorist group would compensate by training non-Arab types as well, which they obviously have done.
In Bush at War the randomness of airport checks is explained as an effort to snag people like this.
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I guess the new Total Information Awareness program, where they get an automatic record of all your banking and credit transactions wouldn't tell them when you booked a cruise or bought an airline ticket, etc.
Besides, it is much easier to infringe on the privacy and travel rights of all US citizens than for the government to do it's job and check out potential candidates for US citizenship before that citizenship is conferred. Better that US citizns give up their rights than that the government give up its political correctness. Wouldn't want to offend that religion of peace, after all...
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