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San Diego assault ship Tarawa leaves today for Mideast
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 1/6/03 | Unknown

Posted on 01/06/2003 1:46:08 PM PST by bkwells

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To: bkwells
Godspeed ...
81 posted on 01/07/2003 8:34:21 AM PST by manna
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To: NormsRevenge
It's a tough call, using the definitions you sent or that I could find, and I'm too damned proud to ask the young marines in the family....After all - I am the Alfa Dog around here!

Maybe ANYTHING that carries Grunts over water could be considered a "Gator Freighter" - but I suspect it would have to be slow and have the ability to offload their heavy tracked vehicles....

I nearly died when I learned recently that they don't even teach grunts to leave a ship by climbing down a cargo net and dropping into a bouncing Poppa Boat, waiting to crush you against the side of the ship.......

Jeeeze these modern Marines....They've finally been modernized and getting a little consideration for their safety -- BEFORE you throw them into some god forsaken hell hole to kill folks..

Semper Fi
82 posted on 01/07/2003 5:06:05 PM PST by river rat
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To: river rat
Here's an article I saw today about Modern Marines have better ways to get ashore .
Modern Marines have better ways to get ashore
Tue Jan 7, 7:31 AM ET

César G. Soriano USA TODAY

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. -- For more than a century, the call to ''send in the Marines'' has been followed by an assault by U.S. forces trained to land on hostile beaches.

But in recent years, the Marines haven't stormed many beaches. Last year, Marines were ferried to landlocked Afghanistan (news - web sites) by helicopter. During the Gulf War (news - web sites) of 1991, Marines aboard ship were used only as a diversion to tie down Iraqi troops in defensive positions on the coast, while other Marines were part of the main land attack launched from Saudi Arabia.

On Monday, the 2,200 members of the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) deployed to the Persian Gulf, but few of them expect to be storming the beach from landing craft. Marines say they haven't abandoned amphibious warfare -- although its definition has been broadened to include helicopter-borne assault or landing on undefended beaches and moving by vehicle to attack the enemy.

''In this day and age, there are easier ways to get Marines on the beach,'' says Staff Sgt. Clinton Summers, 31, a Huey helicopter crew chief.

''It's definitely a tactic of the past,'' says Capt. Jay Delarosa, a public affairs officer. ''An amphibious landing is too risky.''

But amphibious warfare is not irrelevant, Marine officers say, because Navy ships allow Marines to come ashore with more firepower than light-infantry or airborne units. They don't need to establish bases in the Persian Gulf because they can launch attacks from ships and get artillery, aircraft and tanks on the ground quickly.

Marines will be only a part of whatever force is eventually fielded if there is a U.S.-led attack on Iraq.

''Any Desert Storm scenario will require larger units that have more combat capabilities than we have,'' says Col. Thomas Waldhauser, commander of the 15th MEU. ''But from an amphibious perspective, we've demonstrated that we're very flexible. We can do many things and make contributions in the war on terrorism.''

Marine expeditionary units are designed to perform many tasks normally carried out by the Army. These include seizing airfields, evacuating civilians and recovering downed aircraft.

Each MEU is equipped with attack helicopters, tanks, artillery and landing craft. The Navy supplies the transportation, in this case the Tarawa Amphibious Ready Group. The group includes the 820-foot-long USS Tarawa amphibious assault ship and the smaller USS Duluth and USS Rushmore.

The 15th MEU, which is part of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, is on its second deployment in a year. In November 2001, 15th MEU Marines set up Camp Rhino, the first U.S. base in Afghanistan, 400 miles inland from the Arabian Sea. An MEU normally operates no farther than 200 miles from shore. Over the next 40 days, the Marines fought their way north and captured the international airport in Kandahar before returning to their ship.

That operation proved that shipborne Marines can reach far inland, their officers say. Afghanistan ''wasn't an amphibious landing in the classic sense of the term, but the fact of the matter is, amphibious forces based in the Arabian Sea were, at the time, the only conventional forces who were able to get to the fight,'' Waldhauser says.

To the wail of Bob Seger's Roll Me Away, the Tarawa Amphibious Ready Group set sail Monday toward the Persian Gulf from San Diego on a long-planned, six-month deployment. Once in the gulf, the ships will meet up with the USS Constellation aircraft carrier battle group. The 24th MEU already is in the Middle East with the USS Nassau Amphibious Ready Group, which is based in Norfolk, Va. The 26th MEU and the USS Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready Group will deploy from Norfolk in February.

Though most of the Marines on the Tarawa are new to the 15th MEU, much of the command staff are veterans of Afghanistan. The 15th MEU has spent the past five months training intensely for the gulf, with emphasis on night urban combat and chemical and biological warfare. Much of that training was conducted at the Military Operations in Urban Terrain course, a mock city at Camp Pendleton. Marines also trained at Twentynine Palms in the Southern California desert, which resembles conditions in Iraq.

The 26-year-old USS Tarawa is named for a World War II beach landing that claimed the lives of 1,020 Marines. The 1943 assault of Tarawa, an atoll in the central Pacific Ocean, was considered a key test of the Marines' amphibious-warfare doctrine. But it did not go well. Planners underestimated the tides, and the first waves of landing craft were beached on a reef. Marines had to wade several hundred yards through surf under enemy fire before reaching the beach.

About 1,000 camera-toting Marines, sailors and their families spent Friday afternoon on the Tarawa, touring the ship and enjoying lunch. About 30 couples reaffirmed their wedding vows before a chaplain. Children played hide-and-seek through the cramped quarters of the ship. Others cried during what could be the final family outing for many months.

83 posted on 01/07/2003 6:13:32 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fidelis)
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To: NormsRevenge
Great article...thanks.

Tell me, do any of the California USMC facilities allow former Marines to come on base and view combat video or still photos taken by USMC journalists and grunts?

Years ago -- this was possible, with some "inside help" at Parris Island, Camp Lejeune or Quantico.....

Is this practice dead -- and if not, where should one go?

Semper Fi
84 posted on 01/07/2003 8:26:47 PM PST by river rat
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To: river rat
Check this out .. USMC History and Museums ... I haven't looked at any of the links for this page yet, but it may have some stuff online re: photos, essays, unit histories, etc. Look under Historical.

Where do you live, by the way? The current Marine Corps Recruit Depot Commandant in San Diego, Huly, was my Series Commander in 1972. Maybe, I can try and get ahold of him if you're in the SoCal area. I was a Platoon and Series Honorman in his series back in 1972. I know he wouldn;t remember me, but ya never know. :-)

The main site for the USMC is http://www.usmc.mil
85 posted on 01/07/2003 8:59:05 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fidelis)
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To: NormsRevenge
The "stuff" I had in mind, it the type the USMC would NOT post in public sites or in History "releases"...The insider, "dark" stuff....

I watched some really interesting footage from the last shoot out with Iraq... VERY GOOD Stuff! Would like to see the stuff our guys brought back from Afghanistan..

I'm in SW San Jose --- but get down South a couple of times a year....

Semper Fi
86 posted on 01/07/2003 10:35:42 PM PST by river rat
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To: river rat
Oh, I hear ya, that may be a bit tougher to locate. Hmmm... 'dark stuff' , huh? Unofficial documentary kind of stuff it sounds like, those mini video cams can come in handy, I haven't seen any of that stuff but will snoop around a bit.

I avoid the Southland if at all possible and San Fran too and downtown san jose.

Damn, we're neighbors almost, I'm up in the NE corner of San Jose.
87 posted on 01/07/2003 11:11:27 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fidelis)
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To: bkwells
bkwells is my husband - and you won't find a wife who is more proud of her husband than I -- godspeed, you honorable and courageous man - stay safe and the kids and I will be standing proud pierside when you return. Lots and lots of love, and kick some butt!
88 posted on 01/08/2003 2:27:17 PM PST by bkwells (bk's wife)
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To: bkwells; *SemperFi
Semper Fi, Marine bkwells.
89 posted on 01/08/2003 9:38:15 PM PST by anymouse
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To: bkwells
Welcome home and thanks for a job well done!!!
90 posted on 09/05/2003 5:36:40 AM PDT by manna
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To: bkwells
Welcome back!

Have a beer on me.

The flowers are for your wife.


91 posted on 09/05/2003 8:54:50 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: bkwells
Welcome home, Senior Chief.
Job well done!
92 posted on 09/05/2003 1:49:09 PM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, in the Right place, at the Right time...to do His work)
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