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Connecting the War on Guns & Drugs [my title]
SHOTGUN NEWS ^ | 1/11/03 | Amicus Populi

Posted on 01/11/2003 10:15:11 AM PST by tpaine

Ms. Nancy Snell Swickard - Publisher Shotgun News P. O. Box 669, Hastings, NE 68902

Dear Ms. Swickard,

I was very distressed to see the remark of one of your subscribers which you quoted on page 8 of your October 1 (1996) issue. The support of the "Drug War" by anyone who values the 2nd Amendment, and the rest of the Bill of Rights, is the most dangerous error of thinking in the politics of the "gun control" debate. This error is extremely widespread, although there have been some recent signs that some Americans are seeing through the propaganda of the Drug Warriors which affects all levels of our society.

Sadly, major players in the defense of the 2nd Amendment (like the NRA) show no signs of awareness of the part played by the Drug War in our present hysteria over violence. This is a serious error, because the violence produced by the Drug War is one of the main reasons that a majority of American citizens support gun control. Without the majority of a citizenry frightened by endemic violence, Mr. Clinton and his allies in the Congress would not enjoy the power they now possess to attack the Bill of Rights.

To understand the effect of the Drug War, we must understand it for what it is: the second Prohibition in America in this Century. I do not need to remind anyone who knows our recent history what a disaster the first Prohibition was. It is a classic example of the attempt to control a vice--drunkenness--by police power. It made all use of alcohol a case of abuse. It produced such an intense wave of violence that it gave a name--The Roaring Twenties--to an entire decade. It lead to the establishment of powerful criminal empires, to widespread corruption in police and government, and to a surge of violence and gunfire all over the land. And it produced a powerful attack on the Bill of Rights, including the most successful campaign of gun control laws in America up to that time.

Before the first Prohibition criminalized the trade in alcohol, liquor dealers were ordinary businessmen; after 1920 they were all violent criminals fighting for their territories. We had gang wars, and drive-by shootings, and the use of machine guns by criminals.

We now have the same effects of the first Prohibition in the present Drug War, and Americans appear to be sleepwalking through it with no apparent understanding of what is happening. It is testimony to the truth of Santayana's famous remark that those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it. We must understand that this has all happened before, and for the same reasons.

It is essential that defenders of the 2nd Amendment understand that the whole Bill of Rights is under attack by the Drug War, and that assaults on the 2nd Amendment are a natural part of that trend. What is the main premise of a gun-control law? It is that guns are implements which are too dangerous to entrust to the citizenry. What is the main premise of Drug Prohibition? It is that drugs are substances which are too dangerous to entrust to the citizenry. Both lines of reasoning say that because a few people abuse something, all Americans must be treated like children or irresponsibles. All use is abuse.

This is an extremely dangerous idea for a government, and it leads inevitably to tyranny. It is a natural consequence that such thinking will lead to attacks on the Bill of Rights, because that is the chief defense in the Constitution against abuses of government power.

Since the beginning of the Drug War, no article of the Bill of Rights has been spared from attack. There has been an enormous increase in police power in America, with a steady erosion of protections against unreasonable search and seizure, violations of privacy, confiscation of property, and freedom of speech. We have encouraged children to inform on their parents and we tolerate urine tests as a condition of employment for anyone. All who question the wisdom of Drug Prohibition are immediately attacked and silenced. These are all violations of the Bill of Rights. Are we surprised when the 2nd Amendment is attacked along with the others?

We understand that opponents of the 2nd Amendment exaggerate the dangers of firearms and extrapolate the actions of deranged persons and criminals to all gun owners. That is their method of propaganda. Do we also know that Drug Warriors exaggerate the hazards of drug use--"all use is abuse'--in the same way formerly done with alcohol, and extrapolate the condition of addicts to all users of drugs? That is their method of propaganda. Most Americans are convinced by both arguments, and both arguments depend on the public's ignorance. That is why discussion and dissent is inhibited.

Most Americans are moving to the idea that drugs and guns are evil and should be prohibited. Encouraging one way of thinking supports the other because the logic of the arguments is the same.

Why not prohibit a dangerous evil? If every drinker is a potential alcoholic, every drug-user a future addict, and every gun-owner a potential killer, why not ban them all? There is no defense against this logic except to challenge the lies that sit at the root of the arguments. Those are the lies promoted by the prevailing propaganda in support of all Prohibition. We cannot oppose one and support the other. To do so undermines our efforts because all these movements walk on the same legs.

If we do not explain to people that the fusillade of gunfire in America, the return to drive-by shooting, and our bulging prisons, come from the criminalizing of commerce in illegal drugs, we cannot expect them to listen to a plea that we must tolerate some risk in defense of liberty.

Why should we tolerate, for the sake of liberty, the risk of a maniac shooting a dozen people, when we cannot tolerate the risk that a drug-user will become an addict?

In fact, very few gun-owners are mass murderers and a minority of drug-users are addicts, but people are easily persuaded otherwise and easily driven to hysteria by exaggerating dangers. What addict would be a violent criminal if he could buy his drug from a pharmacy for its real price instead of being driven to the inflated price of a drug smuggler? How many cigarette smokers would become burglars or prostitutes if their habits cost them $200 per day? How many criminal drug empires could exist if addicts could buy a drug for its real cost? And, without Prohibition, what smuggler's territory would be worth a gang war? And why isn't this obvious to all of us?

It is because both guns and drugs have become fetishes to some people in America. They blame guns and drugs for all the intractable ills of society, and they never rest until they persuade the rest of us to share their deranged view of the evil power in an inanimate object.

They succeed, mainly, by lies and deception. They succeed by inducing the immediate experience of anxiety and horror by the mere mention of the words: Guns! Drugs! Notice your reactions. Once that response is in place, it is enough to make us accept any remedy they propose. An anxious person is an easy mark. They even persuade us to diminish the most precious possession of Americans, the one marveled at by every visitor and cherished by every immigrant, and the name of which is stamped on every coin we mint--Liberty. They say that liberty is just too dangerous or too expensive. They say we will have to do with less of it for our own good. That is the price they charge for their promise of our security.

Sincerely,

Amicus Populi


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To: robertpaulsen
Any political subdivision is subject to upholding our Law of the Land.
-- You can however, put together a privately owned communitarian community with strict regulations on drugs, morality, etc. -- Feel free, as long as you don't violate individual rights in doing so.
Many condo associations would welcome you. If you break their rules, out you go, all quite legally. But evicting you is it, -- they can't jail you.
-- Our State & local governments are run by 'we the people' pledged to the rule of Constitutional law. -- They can jail you for lawbreaking.

Get the difference yet, texbaby? -- I'm sure you do, but like paulsen, you just don't want to 'see' it. Communitarian-ism is a form of social blindness.

paulsen blindly replies:
The citizens of each state decide how they will live together. Condos and communitarian communities are not necessary.

Dream on. Our Constitution stands.

681 posted on 04/02/2006 7:15:37 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
"You dream for the day that I'll be required to answer correctly."

We all do, tpaine.

682 posted on 04/02/2006 7:27:16 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Government has the power to jail, fine, and execute convicted criminals but only by using due process in both the writing & enforcing of the law.

Government is only required to use individual due process when life, liberty, or property is at stake in the enforcement of constitutional laws.

Justice Harlan answers you best:

     "-- [T]he full scope of the liberty guaranteed by the Due Process Clause `cannot be found in or limited by the precise terms of the specific guarantees elsewhere provided in the Constitution.
This `liberty´ is not a series of isolated points pricked out in terms of the taking of property; the freedom of speech, press, and religion; the right to keep and bear arms; the freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures; and so on. 
It is a rational continuum which, broadly speaking, includes a freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints, . .

Government is not required to use individual due process when writing laws.

Constitutional due process is required in the writing of laws. Laws repugnant to the Constitution are null & void from inception.

They may set the drinking age at 21, for example, even though an individual 20-year-old can prove himself to be more responsible than those older than he.

"-- broadly speaking, [due process] includes a freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints --"

683 posted on 04/02/2006 7:37:37 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: robertpaulsen
Authoritarians/communitarians dream of required/correct answers paulsen.

Your slip is showing.
684 posted on 04/02/2006 7:43:04 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
"Justice Harlan answers you best:"

Yes he does, especially when you quote the preface:

"Due process ... has represented the balance which our Nation ... has struck between that liberty and the demands of organized society. The balance of which I speak is the balance struck by this country, having regard to what history teaches are the traditions from which it developed as well as the traditions from which it broke. That tradition is a living thing."

685 posted on 04/02/2006 7:59:25 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

Well, if you agree with Harlan on due process, than you concede my point.

Fat chance of that.





686 posted on 04/02/2006 8:06:14 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: robertpaulsen

No, no, due process means whatever is reasonable and not prohibitionary. Get it?


687 posted on 04/02/2006 9:42:38 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Weird little troll roscoe. -- It's evident you're incapable of making an argument on your own.

Why is that?
688 posted on 04/02/2006 9:49:46 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
We can reasonably regulate use/storage of nuclear/biological/chemical materials, [much is privately owned] but we can't constitutionally prohibit possession.

Then how is it that I am prohibited from buying a nuclear weapon?

689 posted on 04/02/2006 11:15:48 AM PDT by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: Texaggie79

You would have to store it away from the water heater pilot light.


690 posted on 04/02/2006 11:56:47 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Texaggie79
Texaggie79 wrote:

Then how is it that I am prohibited from buying a nuclear weapon?

Are you? Let's say you own an isolated island in the middle of the Pacific. -- Cite the Constitutional prohibition that applies.

691 posted on 04/02/2006 12:26:44 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Mojave

Don't forget that the 1.7 gallon flush toilet law may also apply in this case. [Check with your local building official]


692 posted on 04/02/2006 12:33:31 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

Ok, so if condition were so isolated, in an unrealistic way, I could have a nuke. Ok fine, same goes for crack.


693 posted on 04/02/2006 4:36:13 PM PDT by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: Texaggie79
There you go tex, connecting the war on weapons with the war on crack, which makes my point.


" -- Most Americans are moving to the idea that drugs and guns are evil and should be prohibited. Encouraging one way of thinking supports the other because the logic of the arguments is the same.

Why not prohibit a dangerous evil? If every drinker is a potential alcoholic, every drug-user a future addict, and every gun-owner a potential killer, why not ban them all? There is no defense against this logic except to challenge the lies that sit at the root of the arguments.
Those are the lies promoted by the prevailing propaganda in support of all Prohibition.
We cannot oppose one and support the other. To do so undermines our efforts because all these movements walk on the same legs. --"

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The logical core of the article.

--- Prohibitional power has never been granted to any level of government, federal/state or local.

Governments are limited to legally 'reasonable' regulatory powers by the basic principles of our constitution.
694 posted on 04/02/2006 6:10:24 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

Well you want to legalize pot, I'll vote to do so. But regulating Crack Cocaine is "reasonable" in my book, so no help there.


695 posted on 04/02/2006 7:29:14 PM PDT by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: Texaggie79
Exactly, you're of "no help there" when it comes to fighting anti-constitutional forces, the neo-prohibitionists among us.

At best, you're a fellow traveler.
696 posted on 04/03/2006 7:11:57 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

Why don't you fight the unconstitutional prohibition on nukes? You traveler?


697 posted on 04/03/2006 9:36:34 AM PDT by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: Texaggie79
Texaggie79 wrote:

Why don't you fight the unconstitutional prohibition on nukes?

There are no unconstitutional prohibitions on nuclear materials kiddo. -- I think we have fairly reasonable regulations, -- although I would like to see many more nuclear power plants. -- Which is a political problem, backed up by the same types that back prohibitions on guns. -- People like you.

698 posted on 04/03/2006 9:59:14 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: Mojave
"""No, no, due process means whatever is reasonable and not prohibitionary. Get it?"""

Why do people keep replying to this guy.

He's provided over and over again that he doesn't or refuses to understand that people will do drugs whether they are legal or illegal and no laws will change that. The best we can do is damage control and minimize it's impact on the majority that don't.
699 posted on 04/03/2006 10:17:31 AM PDT by commonerX (n)
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To: tpaine
I think we have fairly reasonable regulations

Think..... fairly.... reasonable. Such sound facts you have on this issue.

700 posted on 04/03/2006 11:09:21 AM PDT by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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