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Members of U.S. Congress say Chavez should stay
Rueters AlertNet ^ | Jan. 09.2003 | Newsdesk

Posted on 01/11/2003 4:38:16 PM PST by madfly

WASHINGTON, Jan 9 (Reuters) - Nineteen members of the U.S. House of Representatives told Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Thursday they strongly opposed attempts to remove him from office and condemned Bush administration officials who appeared to support a short-lived coup against him in April.

In unusually blunt criticism, the 18 Democrats and one independent added: "The people within the present American administration who supported your illegal ouster in April 2002 were wrong to do so and we strongly condemn that decision. We have been actively working to ensure against that mistake being repeated."

"Should an illegal coup take place again, we believe the world community should condemn such an action and make clear that Venezuela is served best only when governed by legally elected leaders," they added.

The members of Congress included Reps. John Conyers of Michigan, Jesse Jackson Jnr. of Illinois, Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and independent Rep. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

They sent the letter on the same day that President George W. Bush named controversial diplomat Otto Reich, a Cuban-American hawk, as a special envoy to Latin America.

As assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere Affairs in April, Reich helped give the impression that the United States welcomed the coup against Chavez, a populist who faces a long and bitter campaign to remove him from office.

The conflict in Venezuela has shut down most of the country's oil-exporting facilities, squeezing world oil supplies at a time when the United States is making military preparations for a possible attack on Iraq.

The Bush administration says it supports mediation by the Organization of American States (OAS), which has so far proved fruitless, and a solution based on elections -- one of the main demands of Chavez's opponents.

But the 19 members of Congress said: "We believe it is against the best interests of Venezuela and its people to abrogate the constitution and force elections prior to the normally appointed time."

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said, "Our view is that the parties need to sit down and need to work out a peaceful resolution of these fundamental issues using the good offices of (OAS) Secretary-General (Cesar) Gaviria."




TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chavez; congress; fifthcolumn; latinamericalist; venezuela
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1 posted on 01/11/2003 4:38:16 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Democrats oppose the removal of Chavez...figures.
2 posted on 01/11/2003 4:41:45 PM PST by cake_crumb (And we should care about the blathering of Democrats because.....?)
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To: *Latin_America_List; Cincinatus' Wife
bump
3 posted on 01/11/2003 4:42:05 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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To: madfly
The members of Congress included Reps. John Conyers of Michigan, Jesse Jackson Jnr. of Illinois, Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and independent Rep. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

Is this the Congressional axis of evil?

4 posted on 01/11/2003 4:45:36 PM PST by byteback
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To: Free the USA; backhoe; RnMomof7; Fiddlstix; shanec; HAL9000; Freedom'sWorthIt; rintense; ...
ping
5 posted on 01/11/2003 4:46:43 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
connected to the last flag...the ever present Koran threat
6 posted on 01/11/2003 4:51:14 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God)
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To: cake_crumb
Why, of course they do.

Whenever a Stalinist maggot gains political power, you can count on the democrats to make sure he stays in.

7 posted on 01/11/2003 4:51:41 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: byteback
They are also members of the Black Caucus, and even worse, the Progressive Caucus (whose goals and mission statement mirror the Democratic Socialists of America)
8 posted on 01/11/2003 4:52:04 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: byteback
Is this the Congressional axis of evil?

Hard to tell with so little evidence. But clearly they are racist or they wouldn't oppose a Cuban-American.

STOP THE RACISM NOW!

9 posted on 01/11/2003 4:52:44 PM PST by Drango (don't need no stinkin' tag line)
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To: madfly
These 19 'lawmakers' of the US Congress broke existing US law (and their oaths of office) by sending a letter to Hugo Chavez criticizing the administration's policies concerning Venezuela. Reuters seems clueless about existing US law, separation of powers, "will of the people"...

Conducting Foreign Relations Without Authority: The Logan Act

Abstract: The Logan Act was intended to prohibit United States citizens without authority from interfering in relations between the United States and foreign governments. There appear to have been no prosecutions under the Act in its almost 200 year history. However, there have been a number of judicial references to the Act, and it is not uncommon for it to be used as a political weapon. Although attempts have been made to repeal the Act, it remains law and at least a potential sanction to be used against anyone who without authority interferes in the foreign relations of the United States.

10 posted on 01/11/2003 4:53:18 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: byteback
I like how you think!

I would have to add Barbara Lee and Jim McDermott to that list. But more apply, I'm sure.
11 posted on 01/11/2003 4:54:44 PM PST by axel f
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To: Drango
I was surprised to see Sanford Bishop's name on that list.

He's probably the most conservative black Democrat.

Chavez has probably given some of the GA 2nd farmers some sweetheart deals.
12 posted on 01/11/2003 4:56:53 PM PST by Guillermo (Sic em')
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Outrageous. That's at least 2 laws this week out the window. I'd like to see Ron Paul at least make a speech on this for the record. Thanks for the info.
13 posted on 01/11/2003 5:02:08 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
The members of Congress included Reps. John Conyers of Michigan, Jesse Jackson Jnr. of Illinois, Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and independent Rep. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

Communists in the house!
14 posted on 01/11/2003 5:05:41 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: madfly
helped give the impression that the United States welcomed the coup against Chavez, a populist who faces a long and bitter campaign to remove him from office

In the same way that Reuters stumbles over the use of the word "terrorist" to describe people who perpetrate terroristic acts, they just don't seem able to call Chavez, a Castro sympathizer and Communist sympathizer, a "Communist sympathizer", and instead label him a "populist". Another article, another lie, huh Reuters?

15 posted on 01/11/2003 5:07:17 PM PST by The Electrician
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To: madfly
The usual POS seditious polidiot trash .......good news is it was only 19 this time. We're winning ! Vote Vote Vote !!
16 posted on 01/11/2003 5:08:28 PM PST by Squantos (Stay Safe Ya'll !)
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To: madfly
the 18 Democrats and one independent (rueters forgets to mention sanders is a admitted socialist)

I am shocked I tell you just shocked
17 posted on 01/11/2003 5:09:37 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: madfly
Is there any confusion about why these RAT Congressional commies support other commies? What says Her Heinous?
18 posted on 01/11/2003 5:13:19 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: madfly
18 Democrats and one independent

I don't know why anybody should be surprised by this. Democrats have been supporting Communists for decades. In fairness, the Communists have also been supporting the Democrats. So it's not just a one way street.

The astonishing part of all this is nobody seems to care any more!

19 posted on 01/11/2003 5:21:01 PM PST by Gritty
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To: madfly
These Fifth-Column Democrats are the ones who want Korean nukes in Latin America.
20 posted on 01/11/2003 5:21:06 PM PST by houstonian
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
It's about time that someone enforced this act.
21 posted on 01/11/2003 5:38:07 PM PST by Domestic Church
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To: byteback
Is this the Congressional axis of evil?

"Round up the usual suspects..."

22 posted on 01/11/2003 5:38:54 PM PST by Sangamon Kid
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To: madfly
An 'illegal ouster', sounds like what the Libs where trying to do to Lott............
23 posted on 01/11/2003 5:39:47 PM PST by Lockbox
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To: byteback
Is this the Congressional axis of evil?

Just the usual suspects.
24 posted on 01/11/2003 5:39:49 PM PST by BenR2
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To: knighthawk; Grampa Dave; DoughtyOne; LibertarianInExile; altair; Carry_Okie; A. Pole; Agrarian; ...
fyi
25 posted on 01/11/2003 5:41:13 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Chavez lined up with Castro...Castro with China (COSCO/Hutchinson Whampoa Li Ka-shing Panama Canal's new managers...huge container ports in the Bahamas...large cargo plane airstrips etc)
Castro also with al-Qaeda and all their buddies...whose sole aim is the destruction of the USA
hey why wouldnt the dems be lined up with Chavez....
All their buddies are...
26 posted on 01/11/2003 5:45:05 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: madfly
Venezuela is proof of the dangers of Democracy. Democracy is mob rule and that is more dangerous than even fascism. The only type of government that can survive and thrive is a limited government based on the rule of Law. A Republic.
27 posted on 01/11/2003 5:47:30 PM PST by xrp
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To: madfly
Thanks for the ping my friend. Looks like the commies in congress are out to protect one of their own south of the border.
What is going on in south and central America just goes to show it is time to take Castro out once and for all before he can spread his evil any further.
28 posted on 01/11/2003 5:57:41 PM PST by asneditor
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To: xrp
Ditto that!!!!!
29 posted on 01/11/2003 5:59:39 PM PST by asneditor
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To: madfly
"Should an illegal coup take place again, ..."

As opposed to a legal coup? Morons in Government showing off their intellect.

30 posted on 01/11/2003 6:04:28 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: madfly
As assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere Affairs in April, Reich helped give the impression that the United States welcomed the coup against Chavez, a populist who faces a long and bitter campaign to remove him from office.

Populist? The man is an avowed COMMUNIST.

No spin here.

31 posted on 01/11/2003 6:07:31 PM PST by Carry_Okie (A faith in Justice, none in "fairness")
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Ahh, A legal coup would be when the people rise up against a Facist government. An illegal coup would be when the people rise up against an Communist government. Get it.
32 posted on 01/11/2003 6:19:07 PM PST by Husker24
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To: madfly
Glad to see them go on record here, it'll haunt them good in about a week...

Middle of NEXT WEEK, possibly Jan 14, TSJ (Supreme Court, Venezuela) will announce...

- In 'Sala Electoral': Leonardo Pizani can not be member of CNE board (electoral authority), thus all recent decisions taken by the board with his participation are invalid. This blocks the non-binding Feb 2 referendum on whether or not Chavez should resign.

- In 'Sala Constitutional': The question put for referendum Feb 2 is not valid, thus Feb 2 referendum is also blocked through this way, just for redundant safety in numbers.

In addition, two more Supreme Court rulings are readied as well, but with less certain dates:

The detention of dissident G.N. general Carlos Alfonzo Martinez (without a warrant or any charges) is ruled "legal", and the general will stay under arrest.

Government intervention of private TV stations and media outlets is ruled "legal".

The situation in Venezuela can best be compared to post-colonial Africa, where the supreme courts of Marxist "Peoples Republics" allowed their ruling dictator and his party to do anything ... with the added danger to world stability that Venezuela is the third largest exporter of oil to the United States, and has billions of petro-dollars. And that the sympathetic Chavez regime, for that reason, is sought out by leftist terrorist groups and dictators as a secure source of financing and aid.

But, the big thing that'll bite them good, is that the active Chavez connection to international terrorists will be further confirmed next week, too, with another defector coming here, fresh from Chavez regime. See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/819790/posts for preview of the details of his testimony that'll really embarass those democrats big-time!

-Shane

33 posted on 01/11/2003 6:26:10 PM PST by shanec
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To: madfly
"In unusually blunt criticism, the 18 Democrats and one independent..."

Now this is a real surprise...NOT!

34 posted on 01/11/2003 6:26:11 PM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: shanec
This is fascinating. These Democrats should be censured, if not impeached. I've sent this story to Ron Paul. I hope he writes a speech that shames them.

Please put me on your ping list, Shane. Thanks

35 posted on 01/11/2003 6:44:50 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
America, WAKE UP! Observe, Recognize and Resist...
Liberals and Leftists should be refused public office..
They are morons and a hazard to the Repubic..
They can NOT be trusted to use good judgement in the preservation of our Republic...

Semper Fi
36 posted on 01/11/2003 7:02:49 PM PST by river rat
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To: madfly; TLBSHOW
Ping
37 posted on 01/11/2003 7:30:59 PM PST by dasboot
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To: madfly; PARodrig; Clemenza; rmlew
Why am I willing to bet one of those 19 also includes Nydia Velasquez. I hope so, more ammo to hang her with.
38 posted on 01/11/2003 7:33:32 PM PST by Cacique
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To: cake_crumb
Democrats oppose the removal of Chavez...figures.

The Democrats helped get this guy elected.

39 posted on 01/11/2003 8:03:08 PM PST by FreeReign (Thank you very much James Carville....)
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40 posted on 01/11/2003 8:03:40 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: madfly
"Should an illegal coup take place again, we believe the world community should condemn such an action and make clear that Venezuela is served best only when governed by legally elected leaders," they added.

Unalieanable rights trump legal rights. I support the "illegal coup". I support unalienable rights.

41 posted on 01/11/2003 8:08:55 PM PST by FreeReign (Thank you very much James Carville....)
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To: Cacique; madfly; Cincinatus' Wife
One of my ex-coworkers' father (a former general and Ambassadpr) cannot return to Venezuela because that walking piece of Mierda has put in effect a death sentence on much of his rivals that are connected to the military. If any of these izquierdistas had any balls, they would go down to Weston, Florida or my old nabe, the Doral section of Miami and openly state their case there. They wouldn't last more than a few seconds.
42 posted on 01/11/2003 8:13:02 PM PST by Clemenza
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To: Clemenza
Yeah, they'd get hung in Weston.

SF bump!
43 posted on 01/11/2003 9:20:43 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Horn broke. Watch for finger!)
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To: byteback
No just the axis of marxists.
44 posted on 01/11/2003 11:14:59 PM PST by victim soul
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To: madfly
Venezuela's embattled Chavez warns foes against taunting "giant" - troops are on his side *** Venezuela's embattled President Hugo Chavez issued a stern warning to his foes, insisting the armed forces were on his side and would not hesitate to intervene in defense of his revolution. "This is the time when there is an army to battle for Venezuela," he told thousands of cheering supporters gathered in a Caracas arena. His latest warning came as the opposition called for a march Sunday to a military complex in Caracas, even though a similar protest on January 3 ended in clashes with Chavez supporters that left two people dead and over a dozen wounded. It also came on the heels of his threat to deploy military troops to seize any food processing plant idled by a six-week-old strike aimed at forcing him from office.

Flanked by soldiers in camouflage gear, the leftist-populist president warned that his opponents were taunting "a giant." "The revolution will not be defeated, it will be strenghthened," the former paratrooper said of his program of social reforms his opponents claim ruined the economy and failed to improve the lot of the millions of impoverished Venezuelans. Chavez also said that if public schools closed in support of the strike did not reopen, their directors would suffer the same fate as about 1,000 striking employees of Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) fired in past weeks.***

45 posted on 01/12/2003 3:24:18 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
bttt
46 posted on 01/12/2003 5:17:49 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
It would be interesting to see how many of these die hard communists flew to Cuba last year to sing Happy Birthday to Tio Fidel Castro. While there, they got on their knees to suckle and kiss his clymer at his birthday party.

Some of these POS's make Osama Mamma Murray look like a reasonable person.
47 posted on 01/12/2003 6:40:26 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Support Free Republic. Become a monthly donor ! Taxcuts are for Taxpayers!)
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To: madfly
Disgusting. Not that I am surprised, of course, looking at the names.

But isn't such an action illegal under our Constitution? I didn't think that members of Congress were permitted to intervene, on their own initiative, in foreign policy matters.
48 posted on 01/12/2003 6:44:43 AM PST by livius
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To: Grampa Dave
19 clear traitors have identified themselves. Tyranny, injustice, corruption, and evil are their only goals.
49 posted on 01/12/2003 4:06:30 PM PST by friendly
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To: livius
They are certainly intervening. The just released Reuters story that mentions Chavez weekly Sunday TV broadcast to the nation here...

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=2030925

...says, quote: "Chavez on Sunday read out what he said was a Jan 9 letter of support sent by 19 U.S. Congress members recognizing him as the legitimately elected president of Venezuela."

-Shane
50 posted on 01/12/2003 4:09:21 PM PST by shanec
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