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To: dtel
No, you are wrong in calling him a leech. He entered into a contract with the gov against his will, as I was forced to do, when he started working.

Really!? Show me the contract. Tell me how much is in your Social Security account that is owed to you. Further, show me the portion of the Constitution that granted the Federal Government or any of its agencies the authority to enter into such an agreement with you.

A certain amount was stolen from him over the years and he was promised a certain amount would be stolen from others to reimburse him.

So, a little bit (actually a lot) of stealing is OK just like a little bit of socialism is OK!?

Thieves, looters, and leeches are what they are no matter who they hire as their agents to commit the actual theft. That you would excuse such a system so long as you get what you think is owed to you - what you believe you are entitled to - just proves the point made by the author of this article. Socialism permeates America, the Republican Party, and even Free Republic.

He and I didn't design the f*cking system, didn't elect to participate in the f*cking system, and you have no right calling those those that were stolen from earlier leeches. Grow up or go away.

Leech. Looter. Thief.

45 posted on 01/12/2003 7:46:27 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Spiff
Really!? Show me the contract. Tell me how much is in your Social Security account that is owed to you. Further, show me the portion of the Constitution that granted the Federal Government or any of its agencies the authority to enter into such an agreement with you.

The SSA act of 1935. The details of accounts, how much is owed, are moot points. You cannot opt out.

Leech. Looter. Thief.

Dreamer. Slanderer. Kook.

What's next, are you and 0.015% of the population going to storm the Bastille?

Sheesh.
54 posted on 01/12/2003 8:00:29 PM PST by motzman ("Looney Insightful Linguist")
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To: Spiff
"Leech. Looter. Thief." -spiff-

Then so's yer grandparents that collected, or will. - Grow up.

58 posted on 01/12/2003 8:05:03 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Spiff
No asshole, the leeching and stealing from me was against my will.
According to my statement, YOU will be paying ME around a grand a month and I have already satisfied my donation? requirements.
Deal with it, you ain't got the power to change anything anyway.
Rant on, little man.
You know what is even worse, I am only 45 and am going to make the minimum amount of "money" possible for the rest of my living days, so as to keep my involvement in the system at the minimum.
I damn sure won't be paying 40K a year in income taxes any longer, sometimes that downsizing, overqualified thing works in your favor.
Work hard, many are depending on you.
64 posted on 01/12/2003 8:12:18 PM PST by dtel (Texas Longhorn cattle for sale at all times. We don't rent pigs)
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To: Spiff; tpaine
I agree that there is no constitutional authority for the Federal government's Social Security program. It is theft, pure and simple.

However, Mr. paine's money would have been taken at gunpoint and he likely would have been jailed had he refused to pay those taxes.

The least the Feds could do would be to return his stolen money, with interest, and issue an apology, don't you think?

67 posted on 01/12/2003 8:13:40 PM PST by Ken H
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