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Are there any differences between Conservatives and Libertarians?
1/12/03 | Sparta

Posted on 01/12/2003 9:15:48 PM PST by Sparta

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To: Sparta
I despise Libs and I'm libertarian. I think liberal-socialist statists are the biggest threat the Republic faces domestically.

Oh yea, You'll soon find out some Conservatives feel the same about you Libertarians.

21 posted on 01/12/2003 9:32:17 PM PST by lewislynn
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To: Pete53
Libertarians are mostly interested in legalizing drugs.

That is their ugly naked obsession.

Fuzzy pleas for "liberty" and "personal responsibility" is the fig leaf that covers their ugly nakedness.

22 posted on 01/12/2003 9:32:49 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: 185JHP
Prostitution, gambling, porn, perverted sex - approving of stuff like that?

For about the 427th time, believing that an activity should not be a crime does not equate to approving of that activity.

23 posted on 01/12/2003 9:34:01 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: Sparta
Yes, there is a huge difference.

At some point a Conservative will call for intervention by the state whereas a Libertarian will not.

Usually this is with regard to social issues, abortion, drugs, prostitution.. Typically some type of prohbition.

24 posted on 01/12/2003 9:36:00 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (LOTR out takes, Reel #2 - Aragorn to Sammy & Frodo "Hey! Get a room!")
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To: Sparta
read later
25 posted on 01/12/2003 9:36:40 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Sparta
Conservatives and Libertarians agree in general terms for maximal economic freedom with minimal government intrusion in the economy. There are shades of differences between us when it comes to details, but of course there are also shades of differences amongst conservatives and amongst libertarians as well.

It is when it comes to social issues that the really significant differences emerge. Libertarians are rooted in a philosophy of maximal individual liberty of all types, and thus (at least speaking of the most ideological purists) tend to favor minimal governmental controls on any and all types of social behavior, regardless of the consequences that may have for society as a whole. Conservatives, on the other hand, tend to have an organic view of society rooted in the philosophy of Edmund Burke, and thus tend to be more concerned with conserving the health and well being of society as a whole, including all of its intermediating institutions like families and churches. Thus, conservatives are more open to some governmental regulation of society when there is a compelling reason to do so, and when it does not run too roughshod upon the rights of individuals. Thus, for example, most (but not all) conservatives tend to line up pretty strongly for the pro-life and anti-drug camp, whereas you will see many (but not all) libertarians take the opposite view.

26 posted on 01/12/2003 9:37:11 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: ThinkDifferent
Yes, it certainly does.
27 posted on 01/12/2003 9:38:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Hank Rearden
Not exactly.

More like purists versus incrementalists, with for the most part common goals, but not always.

Libertarians are needed to push the ideals, and scream when a Republican goes soft, sells out, or gets drunk with power. Republicans are needed to reach the actual compromises to make progress with practical implementation, and secure the edges where pure ideology fails to work(relatively rare instances).
28 posted on 01/12/2003 9:38:21 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Sparta
Wow. Read the Libertarian newsletters.
29 posted on 01/12/2003 9:39:24 PM PST by sd-joe
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
So it depends on the individual case?
30 posted on 01/12/2003 9:39:26 PM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: Kevin Curry
Who you calling ugly, boy?

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31 posted on 01/12/2003 9:39:37 PM PST by Lurker (I can't believe noone else said it....)
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To: Sparta
PS: However, every Conservative I ever met has a Libertarian streak. This sometimes blurs the line between the two.
32 posted on 01/12/2003 9:42:23 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (LOTR out takes, Reel #2 - Aragorn to Sammy & Frodo "Hey! Get a room!")
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To: nopardons
Yes, it certainly does

Do you believe bigoted speech should be a crime? If not, does that make you a racist?

33 posted on 01/12/2003 9:42:57 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: Lurker
He's slipping. He forgot to add moral liberal and idealogue.
34 posted on 01/12/2003 9:43:02 PM PST by nunya bidness (Your ad here!)
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To: Fred Mertz
I think libertarians are conservatives that go to far. Whenever you hear a libertarian they are always spouting legalized drugs.

The libertatian seems to want an anarchy form of government. An everyman for himself wild west mentality. I think we need some form of government(small) to keep society running and to address disputes. Courts are better than gun fights. Some things government does well, roads, defense, and rule of law, not man.

Note how the libs want you to think all their beloved *-isms are far right. Nazi, a contraction for National Socialist Party. Dictatorships, the last rung on the far left, when all the other *-isms fail.

I see myself as a conservative, free markets and free software. Choose your business model and make money where you can/want, within the laws.

snooker
35 posted on 01/12/2003 9:43:18 PM PST by snooker
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To: Sparta
All Right! This will be the Hatfield's and McCoy's thread for tonight!

Libertarians do not vote in a matter that furthers the conservative cause.

For example in my state (Washington) we would have Slade Gorton (R) for a Senator if it were not for the Libertarian candidates being just successful enough to cause Maria Cantwell to win in 2000.

The Libertarians would argue that Gorton was not a conservative anyway and that there were other factors (and there were I am sure)but any way it lead to the jumping Jeffords incident and the rise of Tom Dashole to the Senate Majority position.

36 posted on 01/12/2003 9:44:29 PM PST by right way right (This is a hit and run I am going to bed now. Sorry)
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To: Sparta
by Sparta

Most Libertarians here are pro-life(like yours truly)

by Sparta

I've never seen a libertarian actually say they were for drug use. I consider myself a libertarian and I don't use drugs(legal or illegal).

by Sparta

I'm a registered Republican. I would be a member of the RLC but Louisiana doesn't have a chapter. I would never register as Libertarian for many reasons.

Then I would say your answer is that Libertarians are a little confused.

37 posted on 01/12/2003 9:48:45 PM PST by Democrap
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To: Hank Rearden
We're not pro-drug, per se (although some individuals may be, much as some individuals are pro-Gore; there are wackos in every arena).

This is exactly what happens in every conservative vs. Libertarian discussion. Whatever one Libertarian says they stand for, another finds a way to qualify it and say it doesn't really represent Libertarian beliefs. As the old joke goes, when two Libertarians actually agree on a position, they accuse each other of selling out.

The defining issue for me (although there are many others like drugs) is immigration. No matter how you slice it Libertarians favor open borders. I don't. I'm an American nationalist and Libertarians aren't. They're laissez-faire to the max, and national interests be damned. Unfortunately, a lot of politicians who call themselves "conservative" these days are sounding pretty Libertarian.

38 posted on 01/12/2003 9:49:01 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: ThinkDifferent
Who knows what the meaning of the word " racist " anymore ? It certainly is no longer what it once was. It has been over used to death and is now mere hyperbolie. It's so bad, that it has replaced the shiboleth : " WHEN DID YOU STOP BEATING YOUR WIFE ? " garbage.

As to FR Libertarians, most, but not all of them tend to completely disagree with the vast majority of the LP's platform, candidate for president ( as well as some of those running for other elected offices ) , and stance on the war on terror. That makes little sense ! If a party doesn't speak for one, why call one's self / be affiliated with that party ?

39 posted on 01/12/2003 9:50:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: snooker
I think libertarians are conservatives that go to far.

Many libertarians and Libertarians would not want the government to change all the way to the positions their party advocates, but believe that something that was halfway between the liberals' position and that would be better than something that's halfway between the Democrats' and RINOs' positions.

40 posted on 01/12/2003 9:52:37 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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