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Wow, what a statist you are. You obviously cannot read for yourself, are statist brainwashed to a fault and therefore capable of equating the rkba with rape and murder, in a specious argument. I have to point out the fact that the rape and murder you assigned to my position are NOT PROTECTED rights under the constitution. So try and differentiate them in your arguments.

As you know, apparently by experience, true statism, requires deceit, lying and misrepesentation of truth.
You said I oppose common sense laws... I did not say that.
I did say that most common sense laws, are not.
Gun laws, don't disarm criminals. To me, that is common sense.

You seem to be practiced in or subverted to the statist arts.

SHOWING YOUR TRUE COLORS.

The right to SELF DEFENSE is not really up for debate with me.
but for statists, it is always an issue, when the ominpotent power of their god, the enforcer state, is under assault by us small-minded folks who actually read and KNOW THEREFORE THAT there is a difference constitutionally between the right to protect yourself via the rkba, an the right to rape or murder others.

They simply must find a way to regulate those evil guns... and attaching the words "common sense" to the front of an argument does NOT change the nature of it's stupidity.

Yours was a rather stupid strawman argument... and it burns rather nicely, perhaps you could try another with somebody else. But you both offend, and bore me.

In summary for the infirm: keeping a fire arm is NOT the equivalent of raping or murdering... they are NOTHING alike. Furthermore neither republicans, like me, nor libertarians like lewis, SEE them as similar. Perhaps YOU would like to paint guns as nasty as murder... or delusionally choose to believe that gun laws, if they are only sensible enough, will stop criminals from doing what they do...

Shame on you for equating guns, murder and rape and then assigning them all to my thought process in a specious and blatantly deceptive argument... all because YOU THINK I belong to a party, that I don't.

If your type of sense eq8ting rape, murder and rkba, is any part of creating "sensible" laws, we better lay off the "sensible laws" till your doctor says its okay to stop taking your meds.

Libertarian or not, YOU are the one who proposed the abolition of "ALL gun laws" (your words). That's a proposition I would suggest even the NRA would consider extreme (and I despise the use of that word in politics but, in your case, it seems to fit - at least on this issue).

I suggested you might reconsider with regard to laws that would keep guns from violent criminals and the mentally disturbed. You opined that the law would just empower government and would do nothing to keep guns away from these groups.

So I followed your logic (a law is not good if people are going to break the law anyway) to apply to other areas to illustrate the nonsense of your stated response.

It must have totally boggled your mind because, rather than trying to form a well-reasoned rebuttal, you launch into a tirade of insults - "idiot","moron","Centrist","statist","brainwashed","strawman", and suggesting I need to take my meds. I'm surprised you didn't call me a Nazi and a "facist" (since most folks who would call me a fascist are too stupid to correctly spell fascist).

I will concede that defending the second amendment is different than defending murder or rape. It was not my point to equate the two. It was my point to illustrate the absurdity of your logic.

You have made your point clear. I believe that once convicted of committing a violent crime (you DO believe in laws against violent crime, don't you, even though violent crimes are still committed even after laws are put in place to deter them - or is that just more statist drivel?) that one forfeits certain rights, including the right to vote, the right to freedom and the right to keep and bear arms. Sounds darned "common sense" to me - even though some will still try to vote, still try to break out of jail and still try to obtain weapons. In fact, I'd say my position is darned "conservative", if I dare say so myself.

It's nice to know your "tent bruning" would include a conservative Republican such as myself. I'm so far to the right of our President that it makes me angry that he keeps trying to remake the party into his little RINO clones.

But to suggest that keeping murderers and rapists from having guns makes me an idiot, statist, brainwashed, moron on meds is to truly marginalize your own position. If I confused you for a Libertarian, maybe it's because you demonstrated as much common sense and arrogance as your typical Libertarian. Perhaps you should really give them another look. They seem to be more in line with your belief system.