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To: ancient_geezer
I have no stake in the tax system other than paying taxes!
That doesn't answer the question, but if you owe taxes you should definitely pay them.
One may claim anything for background or expertise, the the logic of the argument and the evidence to back it are the only authority.
What a cop out. You can't even answer a direct question with a straightforward answer.
In other words you have no background or expertise? Why should I trust the "logic" of your particular "argument"?
Seems to me you're muddling through the same as all of the rest of us.
I'll pass on your presumptions, which is how I view your "argument".
274 posted on 01/16/2003 5:05:56 AM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36
Philman_36, you have all you are going to get, for you have no right to demand personal information of others in these forums.

Rule one of the internet, do not give out personal information. Not a copout just simple sense. You don't likie it, stuff it. My personal life is none of your business.

The arguments and information provided is sufficient to the needs of the discussion in this forum.

275 posted on 01/16/2003 8:08:18 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: philman_36

Why should I trust the "logic" of your particular "argument"?

You don't have to. It's your liberty and property at risk in the courts. Not mine.

But then I don't expect you to agree, the cites and hyperlinks to the basic information are made available for others evaluation, as it is apparent you are locked into your own position.

I'll pass on your presumptions, which is how I view your "argument".

Fine by me. Its your hide.

It is men like the following you need to convince of your stand,:

United States v. Sloan, 939 F.2d 499 (7th Cir. 1991)
Argued that there is no law imposing a tax on income, that state citizens are exempt from income tax.

KANNE, Circuit Judge.

  • Like moths to a flame, some people find themselves irresistibly drawn to the tax protestor movement's illusory claim that there is no legal requirement to pay federal income tax. And, like the moths, these people sometimes get burned. Lorin G. Sloan believed these claims and because he acted upon them now faces four months in a federal prison; there can be little doubt that he has been burned.
  • The real tragedy of this case is the unconscionable waste of Mr. Sloan's time, resources, and emotion in continuing to pursue these wholly defective and unsuccessful arguments about the validity of the income tax laws of the United States. Despite our rejection of Mr. Sloan's legal analysis of the tax laws, we are not unmindful of the sincerity of his beliefs. On the other hand, we are less sure of the sincerity of the professional tax protestors who promote their views in literature and meetings to persons like Mr. Sloan, yet are unlikely ever to face the type of penalties incurred by him. It may be that our decision will not alter Mr. Sloan's views regarding the tax laws of this country, for he has stated that if we affirm his conviction without applying the law as he understands it, our decision will be "a sham to which I WILL NOT SUBMIT." It may also be that serving his sentence in prison will not alter Mr. Sloan's view. We hope this pessimistic assessment is incorrect.
  • We AFFIRM the conviction of Lorin G. Sloan on all counts.

An article published in John Birch Society's "The New American" to read and consider:

Patriot Beware!
by Thomas R. Eddlem

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1997/vo13no04/vo13no04_patriot.htm

276 posted on 01/16/2003 8:20:00 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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