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To: cake_crumb; William Terrell
"It's simple minded as well as evil to damn the innocent along with the guilty."

Somehow, we can be sure there were "innocent" and compassionate Nazis amongst its millions of members during the 1930s and 1940s.

It is impossible to play Kumbaya with Islam anywhere on Earth for any length of time.

Only a delusional idealist denies the reality of both the past and present -- sad but true, history has already indicted Islam as completely incompatible with any culture but it's own. And even that is questionable...

190 posted on 01/16/2003 7:54:51 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
An "innocent and compassionate Nazi" is analogous with an "innocent and compassionate Wahhabist" : there is no such animal.
201 posted on 01/16/2003 8:23:36 PM PST by cake_crumb (What would we do without FR? Don't wait to find out. Become a monthly donor.)
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To: F16Fighter
These particular Muslims have been denouncing terrorism and Islamism (Wahhabist extremist) for a long time. Before, no on elistened to them. Now, people are. Their actions back up their words: they are on OUR side, against terrorism. They quietly fight terrorism from within.

For this they are denounced by their fellow Muslims who, if THEY were as sincerely PEACEFUL as they claim, would welcome this group with open arms...

Sadder still they are denounced by their fellow Americans simply because they ARE Muslim...rather than applauded and encouraged, their faces and their plastered all over the media.

What we need is to end terrorism. Terrorism in the name of religion, terrorism in the name of whatever street gang or other organized crime ring the terrorist belongs to - and Muslim terrorist groups ARE organized crime rings - terrorism in ANY form needs to be stopped.

Luis had it right: our enemies are Muslim, but not all Muslims are our enemy. The Muslims speaking out against Muslim terrorists and getting SLAMMED on all sides for it certainly are not our enemies.

205 posted on 01/16/2003 8:33:45 PM PST by cake_crumb (What would we do without FR? Don't wait to find out. Become a monthly donor.)
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To: F16Fighter
Good points all.

Before you can even start evaluating issues of guilt and innocence you have to be able to tell the innocent from the guilty. With Islam especially, that's a problem, in my opinion.

262 posted on 01/17/2003 5:41:34 AM PST by William Terrell (Advertise in this space - Low rates)
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To: F16Fighter
Somehow, we can be sure there were "innocent" and compassionate Nazis amongst its millions of members during the 1930s and 1940s.

It is impossible to play Kumbaya with Islam anywhere on Earth for any length of time.

Only a delusional idealist denies the reality of both the past and present -- sad but true, history has already indicted Islam as completely incompatible with any culture but it's own. And even that is questionable...

Sad, but highly likely. I ask the skeptics how many DEVOUT non-African-American male Muslims they've spent more than, say 30 hours with.

280 posted on 01/18/2003 4:11:51 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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