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Arlington, Virginia Delegate Offers Bill Giving Illegal Immigrants In-State Tuition Rates
WMAL Radio ^ | 1/14/03 | WMAL

Posted on 01/14/2003 9:55:02 AM PST by chambley1

Arlington delegate offers bill giving illegal immigrants in-state tuition rates

An Arlington delegate is opposing Virginia's attorney general on whether illegal immigrants should pay out-of-state tuition rates at Virginia colleges and universities.

Karen Darner's bill would offer in-state tuition rates to illegal immigrants who graduate from a Virginia high school and agree to begin the process of becoming a permanent resident.

In September, Attorney General Jerry Kilgore wrote a memo to state college administrators that declared illegal immigrants were not eligible for in-state tuition rates because they were not in the country lawfully.

Darner tells the Washington Times in many cases, Kilgore's position would punish children for the mistakes of their parents.

Out-of-state tuition rates in Virginia can be four times as high as in-state rates.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: arlington; illegalimmigration; immigration; virginia

1 posted on 01/14/2003 9:55:02 AM PST by chambley1
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To: chambley1
Contact Karen Darner at:

General Assembly Building
P.O. Box 406
Richmond, Virginia 23218
Phone: (804)698-1049
Fax: (804)786-6310
Constituent Viewpoint: (800)-889-0229
Email: del_Darner@House.state.va.us
2 posted on 01/14/2003 9:59:01 AM PST by chambley1
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To: Ligeia
ping

Hopefully Kilgore will defeat this Del. Darner. BTW, does she represent your district at George Mason?

3 posted on 01/14/2003 10:11:21 AM PST by Maedhros (mpaa sux0r)
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To: chambley1
Contact Karen Darner at:

Better yet why don't we just ask GW to enforce the law and deport the illegals? How is it that states can pass legislation that is in direct conflict with Federal statutes, with no challenge from the Justice Department?

Oh, don't hold your breath on this one.
4 posted on 01/14/2003 10:12:52 AM PST by itsahoot
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To: chambley1
The pols now believe that the taxpayers should subsidize illegal immigrants COLLEGE education.

Will this insanity ever stop?
5 posted on 01/14/2003 10:19:45 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.-T.J.)
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To: chambley1
Does this bill pertain to only known, in-state illegals, or can out of state illegals apply?
6 posted on 01/14/2003 10:24:44 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Of course it won't stop. Bush now wants to give illegals Social Security. The Bush administration claims that these plans would promote "totalization" of U.S. and Mexican retirement systems and develop a positive relationship between the two countries.
7 posted on 01/14/2003 10:29:51 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
I would guess it is to apply to all illegals since they cannot legally claim residency anywhere in this country. It is an attempt to recruit more illegals to Virginia.

The mystery is why anyone would want to recruit more illegals to Virginia. Perhaps because it is next to D.C. and the terrorits and spies will have it easier to attend college?

8 posted on 01/14/2003 10:31:53 AM PST by Dante3
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Exactly how much is the average U.S. citizen going to receive from Mexico?
9 posted on 01/14/2003 10:32:18 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Bush is NOT a conservative.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I think the average U.S. citizen is expected to take it out in trade. They want us to continue 'bending over' to receive 'services'.
10 posted on 01/14/2003 10:44:22 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It's cheaper to buy votes using someone else's money. As long as we allow pandering politicians free reign with our money they'll do this kind of thing.
11 posted on 01/14/2003 10:47:11 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Blood of Tyrants
First we're told we NEED the low-skilled labor, now we're told me must pay for them to go to college instead.
12 posted on 01/14/2003 10:48:42 AM PST by FITZ
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To: chambley1
Gee, I can't afford to send a kid to Va Tech (out of state), but I guess it's great that Va will let blatant lawbreakers ahead of me...
13 posted on 01/14/2003 10:49:21 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: itsahoot
We ain't got the manpower to deport them all!
14 posted on 01/14/2003 10:53:14 AM PST by kaktuskid
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To: FITZ
Allow? How the he$$ do you STOP them? (Aside from shootng them) We have been trying unsuccessfully to get the Tennessee General Assembly to cut spending for four years and every year, they pass record new spending ignoring the Constitution by claiming that the spending is in a "emergency". A THIRTEEN year long emergency?
15 posted on 01/14/2003 10:55:34 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Bush is NOT a conservative.)
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16 posted on 01/14/2003 11:12:52 AM PST by cake_crumb (If the "immigrants" are ILLEGALS, they should NOT BE HERE!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Insanity might be the right term for this bimbo Darner's mental state. Not only does she want to reward criminals, but she wants assurances from them that they will remain in this country.

There must be more than one skeleton in her closet. A mental case? A "hate-America" type? Fox's mistress? Getting kick-backs?

17 posted on 01/14/2003 11:16:33 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"The pols now believe that the taxpayers should subsidize illegal immigrants COLLEGE education."


That is absolutely riduculous!! I will tear up my US passport and throw it away, go to Mexico and cross over into Texas and claim to be illegal. It looks like I will do much better by being illegal in this country, or at least pretending to be. Illegal immigrants are breaking the law. Since when should we reward someone for breaking the law?
18 posted on 01/14/2003 11:23:48 AM PST by acs
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To: Dante3
In my experience, there are three types of people who want illegal immigrants. 1)The America haters who wish to destroy our culture 2)People wanting a source of cheap labor 3)Politicians who wish to buy their vote.

BOTH parties are guilty of being in the third catagory.
19 posted on 01/14/2003 11:24:54 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Bush is NOT a conservative.)
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To: chambley1
What does he mean out-of-state tuition rates?TRY OUT OF COUNTRY TUITION rates!!
20 posted on 01/14/2003 2:34:52 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: acs
{I will tear up my US passport and throw it away, go to Mexico and cross over into Texas and claim to be illegal.}

With the right amount of money, you could go to your local Mexican cultural center and obtain a Mexican ID. (Bribery is a way of life in Mexico). Democrat officals treat these Mexican ID cards as valid forms of ID. So, you could still apply for welfare, social security, and even vote. Isn't diversity wonderful? {SARCASM}
21 posted on 01/14/2003 4:55:42 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: chambley1
Excerpted from the Washington Times article on this thread

"Because an undomiciled alien is not lawfully present in the United States, and is therefore subject to deportation, undocumented aliens, cannot as a matter of law meet Virginia's statutory requirement" for in-state tuition consideration, Mr. Kilgore wrote in the memo to state college administrators.

Mr. Kilgore says current law is sufficient in Virginia but issued the memo in response to questions from the administrators as to whom they could accept and what those students should pay.

Delegate Thelma Drake, Norfolk Republican, has drafted a bill supporting the attorney general's position and opposing the Darner legislation.

She said it doesn't make sense to give people who are in the country illegally a break on tuition when the thousands of military families stationed temporarily in Virginia are asked to pay out-of-state tuition.

Many of the people who live in her Tidewater district are military spouses and dependents who often take courses at local colleges. Because most keep their residences in other states, they are not eligible for in-state rates.

"Why should we let those who are here illegally pay the lower rate?" she asked.

The difference in rate between in-state and out-of-state tuition can be substantial. Virginia Tech charges $480.24 for three credit hours for in-state students, and $1,682.49 for out-of-state students. The Northern Virginia Community College system charges $169.69 for in-state students and $607.41 for out-of-state students.

The state subsidizes the cost of each student enrolled in Virginia colleges and universities to the tune of about $6,000 a year.


22 posted on 01/14/2003 5:04:26 PM PST by Ligeia
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To: chambley1
Karen Darner is an idiot!
23 posted on 01/14/2003 7:26:00 PM PST by relee
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Saw this as I was closing. Don't know if you have read it, but thought that I would ping you to it. Night.
24 posted on 01/15/2003 12:57:04 AM PST by dixie sass
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To: dixie sass
Here's the real deal.

The truth is that Clinton cut-off benefits to people who are legally entitled to them, and Bush is negotiating a common treaty (this sort of thing has been around since the 1970's) to re-institute their payments.

Mexican officials may WANT payments to illegals, but it's a no-go on that.

25 posted on 01/15/2003 5:29:20 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Morning! Oh no? It wouldn't surprise me in the least to know that we are paying monies to illegals already. We are trying to buy the friendship of the Mexican people just like we do with every other country in the world by offering them something for nothing.

This is a receipt for fraud and deceit. It's already being perputrated by people in this country and England, France, etc., why not add Mexico to the list?

Why can't we learn that you can't buy friendship and loyalty, it's something that must be earned.
26 posted on 01/15/2003 7:36:56 AM PST by dixie sass
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To: dixie sass
So, in other words, you believe that the US government should take money from people under a false pretense, then screw them out of it?

These are people who followed tha laws, and expect their monies back as promised them.

27 posted on 01/15/2003 8:02:23 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: dixie sass
"Why can't we learn that you can't buy friendship and loyalty"

These monies were taken from the wages of people working in the US legally, it's their money.

28 posted on 01/15/2003 8:11:40 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis, I don't mean the people who are here legally. It's the people who come into this country ILLEGALLY and milk us for all that they are worth.

I'm on fixed income - disability - and it galls me to see the people, both American and foreign that are getting everything they can and their is nothing wrong with them but laziness and greed.

It is honest people that suffer the most, the ones that try to help themselves but are the ones that pay the heaviest price for the thieves, grifters, con-artists, etc. Maybe I'm becoming a little cynical (I hope not).

The honest people on both sides of the borders are the ones that are getting ripped off and harmed.

I wish that I were as intelligent as you are and understood more of the problem. I am trying though, so please don't misunderstand what I am saying, I don't begrudge anyone what is rightfully theirs. I'm just tired of the being taken advantage of for being honest, aren't you?
29 posted on 01/15/2003 11:48:25 AM PST by dixie sass
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To: dixie sass
No one should receive benefits that they are not entitled to, be they illegal immigrants or native born.

If they worked here legally, and had SS wages deducted from their paycheck, they are entitled to their money back regardless of where they may be living now.
30 posted on 01/15/2003 12:46:46 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: chambley1
This is getting ridiculous. Out of state or in state ILLEGAL aliens should be sent home.
32 posted on 11/26/2003 4:09:30 PM PST by jwalsh07
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